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Re: Seafarer 24 swing keel, keel pivot? Sailing qualities?

Hey, I am new and have a question for you guys. I bought a Seafarer 34 a few months ago and am tackling the task of getting the original centerboard out. It is completely rotten and not much is left but if I can get it off the pin it should all come out. That's the question, how do you get these things off the pin? The pin is not removable so there must have been something that bolts up over a slot it fit into? Please any help would be appreciated!
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Re: Seafarer 24 swing keel, keel pivot? Sailing qualities?

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Hey, I am new and have a question for you guys. I bought a Seafarer 34 a few months ago and am tackling the task of getting the original centerboard out. It is completely rotten and not much is left but if I can get it off the pin it should all come out. That's the question, how do you get these things off the pin? The pin is not removable so there must have been something that bolts up over a slot it fit into? Please any help would be appreciated!
I've posted your question about the swing keel pin on the Seafarer's group on Facebook and asked someone with knowledge of this model to come over and answer your question. Do you have a Seafarer 24 or Seafarer 34? You state "24" in the subject line, but "34" in the message body?
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Re: Seafarer 24 swing keel, keel pivot? Sailing qualities?

Thank you! My vessel is a 34cb. I posted it here because there is literally no information on this boat anywhere on the net. I thought anyone with a seafarer might know something. I should join up with the Facebook group. Hopefully someone out there has one of these.
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Re: Seafarer 24 swing keel, keel pivot? Sailing qualities?

We have a Seafarer 34 with a swing keel. We just finished fixing up our keel a couple of weeks ago as it had become quite pitted: Swingin' Sailing Chance | Sailing through the Caribbean | Sailing Chance | Sailing through the Caribbean

The facebook group that was previously posted has been EXTREMELY helpful when working on our boat, and we've been pretty much rebuilding her completely. Here's the link again. https://www.facebook.com/groups/seafareryachts/

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Re: Seafarer 24 swing keel, keel pivot? Sailing qualities?

Thank you very much for the response and link to your site. I found your site a few months ago when my girlfriend and I first purchased our boat but did not see the extensive section you had up documenting your construction. You confirmed what I already guessed (and dreaded) about the centerboard, what were they thinking?! Thanks again for the help!
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Re: Seafarer 24 swing keel, keel pivot? Sailing qualities?

I found this information about the centerboard being removable on the Seafarer 24:

" Centerboard swings up if it hits an obstruction and can be removed for painting from the outside of the boat without any risk of leaks."

This implies that there is a certain way to swing/lift, push forward or whatever puzzling move to unhook the board, even though the pin is fixed. Of course, pins wear out also, but perhaps the idea is to prevent the need for leaky old gaskets around a removable pin.

I have not tried to remove mine so I have no idea what the "secret" moves are that allow the board to come out "from the outside". If anyone knows the moves please share with us!

This information comes from the site at this link, scroll down almost to the end:

The Seafarer 24

I just checked, a similar statement is made for the Seafarer 34.

"since the centerboard on the Seafarer 34 can be removed from outside the boat with no risk of a leak, maintenance is no problem."

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Re: Seafarer 24 swing keel, keel pivot? Sailing qualities?

Some Seafarer centerboards/swing keels can be removed from underneath the boat, but other cannot. One of our Seafarer 34 members on the Seafarer Yacht Group on Facebook just commented on this a couple weeks ago. Here's a link to their blog - Sailing Chance | Sailing through the Caribbean | Sailing Chance | Sailing through the Caribbean

We believe that there are more than one generation of the Seafarer 34 because several owners have noted the differences in their boats. Jason & Kelly will be very helpful. Just reach out to them through their blog or through the Facebook group. I tipped them off this morning about your post so they may have already tried to contact you.

I'll also be glad to send you any pdf file I have that lists the S34. Just let me know.

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Re: Seafarer 24 swing keel, keel pivot? Sailing qualities?

Hey gang. So I have visual access to the board all around and the edge and can see the pin from the front leading edge of the keel. The pin is not going anyway and I cannot see access at any point through the centerboard, no channel or slot or anything. This thing is so rotten and decomposed that the layers of lead and steel are all separating from another so I chiseled out the lead layers and am left with three layers of steel about 3/16" thick each. I have decided to remove a slot out of these three layers leading to the pin so that I can pull the board out with an upward pull. I alreadty cut off half the top of the truck that is in the bilge but still need to actually free the board to even move it. This is an extremely difficult little engineering problem and I have all the tools you could ask for here at my disposal. You will all gasp but I am actually using a plasma torch at the moment to gouge this channel out. Carbide grinder, hole saw, sawzall did not and will not work. This boat seems to be resisting at every turn, I am starting to wonder if not having named here yet is causing bad luck?! Standby, I'll get some pictures of this nightmare up soon. I appreciate all the help! Just putting in my time, cruising is the reward for battles like these.
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Re: Seafarer 24 swing keel, keel pivot? Sailing qualities?

There is a J shaped slot in the front of the Keel. There should be a plug or a strip screwed into the fiberglass to prevent the keel from moving forward. Remove it.


Then lift keel when up about 2 1/2" and slip it forward then the whole thing will come down. Careful mine (29' Seafarer KCB) weighed 650#. I did mine on a lift with ropes and the winches and the lift cable. A fork lift would have been handier.

The pin slides down the long leg of the "J" moves forward and slides up to the short leg of the "J". View from the port side. I would check it carefully. I have heard of three of them that broke off at the hook. Seafarer Research Center has a bit of a discussion a few pages back.
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Re: Seafarer 24 swing keel, keel pivot? Sailing qualities?

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In a moment of weakness last night I purchased a "sight unseen" Seafarer 24 swing keel on Ebay.

I've never seen one, and don't like swing keels. But it was only 50 miles away and cheap. Also, I've looked at a lot of boats recently, Ericsons and the one Seafarer (fixed keel) I saw really stood out.

Question 1: Anyone familiar with what the pivot pin is made of? That's my biggest concern. If it turns out to be a stainless bolt, is there some special stainless marine alloy I should acquire? Or just buy the best available at the hardware store.

Any other pivot info would be appreciated (trunks, leaks, strengths, weaknesses).

Question 2: Has anyone sailed on one of these boats? I expect to work on it for a year or so and will tailor my efforts to the expected quality of sailing, i.e., more effort if it's a good performer, cheaper way out if it's a dog. I'll be sailing the coast and bays of Maine. Maybe some of the larger lakes, I'm on a small lake and near Sebago Lake.

I'm thinking with the narrow (less than 8' in the charts) beam and the swing keel I could trailer it anywhere, but again, I don't want to get a real nice trailer if the boat doesn't point fairly well and sail at least OK.

My truck can easily tow the weight of two or three of this size boat on a trailer, so that's not an issue.

Thank you to anyone who chimes in, good or bad!
i sailed on a 24 swing keel years ago. (at present i have a seafarer 26 with fixed fin keel) should be a great boat for lakes and calm days on the bay. however your boat is probably to light for decent sailing in heavy weather. i sailed a 24 back from block island to atlantic city nj and hit 20-25 mph winds on the way and the boat got pushed around horribly.
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