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Another to add to fasters re frational vs MH rigs. I've noticed racing against fraction rigs, is that they seem to be able to point a few degrees higher vs us with 155 HS's! That gets them to the mark or equal if you will a bit sooner. This would be my first choice of a rig if possible. Not sure I would go as extreme as Fasters boat, but something like the Jeanneau, Beneteau, C&C rigs would be a better fractional option. I have not really paid attention to Hunter, as they do not fit the bill for the type of sailing I do. Some of their rigs are pretty strange at times!

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Oh that's very interesting. I supposed it puts the Hunters back in the thought process.
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A Hunter may very well suit what and how you are going to use your boat. I reread your initial, thought you wanted a racer more than cruiser. Hence the Bene First and C&C options. Whle Hunter does get a few folks bashing them on forums, frankly the 4-5 owners on my docks luv there boats, and they do suit a cruiser type person very well. Easy to use sail options etc. If you live in an area with light winds. try to get some way of setting up a large drifter/screecher/code 0 head sail on a furling drum. The one boat off the top of my head like this is a Tartan 3400, possibly the 3700 with the CCR rig. The 3700CCR has a taller mast than a std rig, but SA is about the same as the jib is self tending. I am recalling the 3400 being somewhat the same too.

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Hanse might be another to look at, as they also have a self tacking jib, IIRC an RF main option, along with a decent SA/disp to give you some go power.

The issue with a lot I am mentioned, is some like the Bene/Jeanneau/Hanse/bavaria, is the ambience is way different inside than a Hunter or Catalina. along with fewer of them vs the latter two. all built about the same frankly! Will serve the purpose you want and need very well.

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If Hunters are back in the hunt.. (sorry)... I'd concentrate on the late 80s early 90s Legend series (33.5, 35.5, 37.5) These are fractional rigs, non B&R and nicely proportiioned. They have great interiors and are handsome boats. While there is some anecdotal data about structural concerns I'm not convinced that they wouldn't be fine coastal cruisers. From an aesthetics and rig design point of view they are not as extreme as the later models (the '6' series and '0' series) that have essentially eliminated a permanent backstay.

The one issue we'd have around here is finding a deep keel version.. most seem to be shoal wing keels.
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A couple of thoughts. The new vertical battens are super thin and can be a part of a replacement sail construction. You would need to talk to your sail maker first to find out if you have enough room inside your mast for the additional material. They should be able to tell you this. I was fortunate enough to take a C355 out for a test sail here in SF Bay this past summer so I got to experience the new sail. Catalina no longer makes their sails in-house and I cannot recall at the moment which sail maker is doing the C355 sails. In any case, a major improvement over the “old” ones.

Masthead vs. Fractional Rigs. First, some basics. Both rigs have CE in the same position for a given sail plan. And that CE is over the CG. The frac rig does this by moving the mast forward in relationship to the CG and mast head moves it aft. Ideally, The jib/genoa fairlead needs to as close as possible to centerline in order for the boat point really high and have a narrower tacking angle. Because the frac boats have smaller jibs, their fairleads can be placed inside the shrouds whereas the masthead boats outside. On masthead boats, most of the drive is from the headsail and frac’s get it from the main. Frac boats allow for bending the mast. The head stay at the mast acts as a fulcrum allowing backstay tension to pull the bend. Race boats go one step further and have adjustable inner forestays to pull the lower portion of the mast forward. The ¾ frac boats are better than the more common 7/8 boats in doing this. Frac boats can be a little bit faster around the buoys because of this coupled with the fact that they go to their spinnakers for the reaching and downwind legs. Mastheads are better in the JAM classes.

The big difference is in how you intend sail the boat. In raising and lowering wind conditions, you reef the main in a frac boat whereas you change headsails in a masthead boat. Likewise mainsail trim is more important on the frac boat and headsail trim for the masthead. IMHO, the big three builders do not take advantage of all the potential of the fractional rig in their cruising boats. You tend to have more sail inventory on a masthead boat. I have three headsails, 130, 110, and 90. These give me options from below ten knots breeze to over 40. I am fortunate insomuch that my local winds blow very consistently and I swap sails maybe every other month or so. I am not impressed with the B&R rig at all. Those boats do not have the best mainsail controls, no ability to bend the mast and lack the deep downwind angles. I used to race against a 40 footer B&R boat in my masthead 34. I can’t remember a time that I got beat by him and we usually considered it a bad day if we weren’t faster on straight time.
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We are in the market for a 32' Catalina only with Full batten main and 4'4" draft as water is skinny in ft. Myers, FL. Much debate about which hull #s feature this. Kent, at Catalina, told me from mid 1995-2002' wings were changed to 4'10"; which is too much for us. We are cash buyers ready to buy. Call me! Diane 239-850-4935
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