fixed keel or retractable keel? - Page 2 - SailNet Community

   Search Sailnet:

 forums  store  


Quick Menu
Forums           
Articles          
Galleries        
Boat Reviews  
Classifieds     
Search SailNet 
Boat Search (new)

Shop the
SailNet Store
Anchor Locker
Boatbuilding & Repair
Charts
Clothing
Electrical
Electronics
Engine
Hatches and Portlights
Interior And Galley
Maintenance
Marine Electronics
Navigation
Other Items
Plumbing and Pumps
Rigging
Safety
Sailing Hardware
Trailer & Watersports
Clearance Items

Advertise Here






Go Back   SailNet Community > General Interest Forums > Boat Review and Purchase Forum
 Not a Member? 


Like Tree2Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
  #11  
Old 10-19-2011
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Maine
Posts: 525
Thanks: 0
Thanked 11 Times in 11 Posts
Rep Power: 4
DonScribner is on a distinguished road
Ditto Barry,

My Lancer 25 is launched pretty easily with her shoal keel. We have 5'-10 head room, but the galley is what you'd expect: a camp stove on one side and an ice box to your rear, or your rear on the icebox. The "head" room is limited. It takes quite a docking maneuver to get into it. We've sailed for a week at a time and it gets small. I'll take it 10 miles out without a worry and have sailed 25 knot winds . . . with a few worries.

Get a copy of "The Complete Trailer Sailor" as was suggested. It will help with lots of things including the right boat to pick.

Don
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #12  
Old 10-19-2011
mikehoyt's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Posts: 674
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Rep Power: 14
mikehoyt is on a distinguished road
A S2 7.9 has a retractable keel (actually a weighted daggerboard I believe). Is trailerable and a good solid sailing boat
ppiccolo1 likes this.
__________________
Mike

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #13  
Old 10-20-2011
bratzcpa's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Kalispell, MT
Posts: 64
Thanks: 1
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 3
bratzcpa is on a distinguished road
Cool ideas people. I'm finding that half the fun of this project is all the shopping and exploring and learning and monkeying around with different ideas. Fortunately, during the meantime, I still have the powered boat to take out and spend some quality nights on the water. I also built a small sailing dinghy (stich n glue method) this past winter to use as a tender for the big boat - - -and in the future, with my liveaboard.

In perusing the advertisements for used boats out there, I'm wishing I was closer to a major sailing market - seattle area is the closest to us here.

Thanks again for your insights.

~markb
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #14  
Old 10-20-2011
ppiccolo1's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Chicago/New Zealand
Posts: 51
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 3
ppiccolo1 is on a distinguished road
Great thread guys! I am also looking in the 25'-28' range. The convenience and storage savings of trailering and mooring for the season, intrigues me. Also, if I buy a 27'-30' on the Great Lakes, then decide to move out west, what a hassle....but the seaworthiness of a trailerable does certainly concern me.... As far as comfort. I have chartered 25' for a week and was quite content, so I think I'd be good for extended stays, but then again, I lived in a VW bus for 2 summers...more thoughts?
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #15  
Old 02-09-2012
bratzcpa's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Kalispell, MT
Posts: 64
Thanks: 1
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 3
bratzcpa is on a distinguished road
decison made - bought a boat!!!

thank you for all your comments and thoughts.

looked at a TON of boats. This is kinda fun - - but rather obsessive too. We ended up with an older Catalina 27 with a heavy fin keel. Yep, a little more hassle when having to move/trailer/step the mast, but all in all, we decided on priorities. We wanted a vessel with a fair amount of room inside and reasonable headroom. And also the heavy keel/ballast for safety, as we're new with the cruiser size boats.

To be sure, it will will be harder to trailer/launch/setup, but what's an extra hour on each end, if it's a better fit for what we want to do with it.

Hoping for an early spring and time on the water (soon)!

thx,

~markb
Attached Thumbnails
fixed keel or retractable keel?-dscn0803.jpg   fixed keel or retractable keel?-dscn0802.jpg  
ppiccolo1 likes this.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #16  
Old 02-09-2012
minnow1193's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Apollo Beach, Fl
Posts: 196
Thanks: 0
Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Rep Power: 3
minnow1193 is on a distinguished road
Congrats!
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #17  
Old 02-09-2012
ppiccolo1's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Chicago/New Zealand
Posts: 51
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 3
ppiccolo1 is on a distinguished road
Congrats! That's exactly what I'm looking at 27" Catalina with a trailer in the $7k-$10k range! I'm jealous...
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #18  
Old 02-20-2012
bratzcpa's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Kalispell, MT
Posts: 64
Thanks: 1
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 3
bratzcpa is on a distinguished road
We are now scouring CraigsList and eBay looking for heavy trailer to be able to move this around when needed. We plan to leave it moored on Flathead Lake (Montana) here most of the summer/fall, but would like to be able to bring it home to work on it this spring while we're waiting for the water level to rise enough for launching.

Then of course, there's that long road trip to Florida, splash, and then to the Bahamas for the summer next year!!!

Not to hijack my own thread (grin), but I'd sure welcome any ideas on finding a trailer for this girl.

~markb
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #19  
Old 02-20-2012
ppiccolo1's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Chicago/New Zealand
Posts: 51
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 3
ppiccolo1 is on a distinguished road
I just bought a 25 with trailer included just for that reason... We should start a data base of trailers available for hire would have made life easier. I scoured the web for hours looking for trailers due to boats that interested me, but didn't have them. BTW I have a 25' cat trailer that's only used 2x a year if anyone needs to borrow it!
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #20  
Old 02-20-2012
KIVALO's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Central New York
Posts: 373
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 3
KIVALO is on a distinguished road
As someone who has done something similar here are my thoughts. FYI, I did this with a 2003 Hunter 260. It's water ballasted with a swing keel and enclosed head.

I did a trip from Chicago to northern Lake Michigan and it took me about a month exactly, I stopped to smell the roses so to speak, several times. All in all, I would happily do it again. Most aspects of the trip were perfectly fine. The swing keel gives you almost unlimited choices for marinas or anchorages, mine is under 2ft draft when raised. The interior IS cramped but with some careful planning it is easily managed. My boat had a 20gal fresh water tank and I also carried another 20gals in portable tanks. Looking back, being in fresh water, that was overkill and the additional space would have been more helpful. You'll have to decide for yourself though.

The head was an area of concern for me. To be frank, no matter what, on a 25-27ft boat an enclosed head is just plain cramped. Taking a dump in one, while underway, SUCKS! But it is doable.

Storage is probably different for every boat but on mine it was no problem. I was able to store all the tools I needed in my lazarettes or down below. None of it was hard to reach either but this an area where forethought can save you some headache. Take some time to think about what your likely to need most often and keep those items in the easiest places to access. For instance I kept most of my screws/nuts/bolts/cotter pins, spare line, tools, flair/rescue kit in the port side lazarette and things like drills and electrical stuff down below. Just take some time and think about these things on your shorter jaunts to help you prepare for your longer ones.

Food, for me, was easy. I if I never have another bowl of ramon noodles, it will be too soon! I bought plastic containers to help keep things like bread and cookies and cereal fresh. and then tried to eat things, like ramon noodles that would last me without need to be kept cool. This brings me to the issue of cooling food for storage. The stock cooler that came with my boat was simply not big enough. I used it and another cooler, a 60qt coleman, for mostly drinks and the occasional left-over from a restaurant or the rare times I have cold cuts on-board. I also bought more ice than I would need and kept the extra covered up in the dingy, I really really hate warm drinks except coffee. Kind of a pita but still workable. By the way towing your dingy is a great way to increase storage.

Finally, the sailing. Man what a friggen blast it was to be cruising and going pretty much where ever the hell I wanted! Awesome! In a small boat you do have to be somewhat more conscious of the weather. I listened to the NOAA weather voice so much he was almost like my buddy. I did find that occasionally the wind wasn't quite what was foretasted and my range decreased as a result. Sometimes leaving me without anywhere to stay for the night. In a small boat this can be fun or it can suck. Planning will decide which.

If you want to do this, I say terrific! Go do it! There is a group out of Ft Lauderdale that sails 260's and Mac 26x's (among others) to Bimini every year. I can remember their name but you should be able to find them via google. As I said, I had a blast and I cannot wait until I can do it again. I have done a month on Mich and a month on Ontario. Loved each and every minute of it.

My last bit of advice would be to find the owners association of whatever boat you chose and find out what things are likely to break/wear and then stock up on replacements. Also go over the boat with a fine tooth comb for the same reason. It's not as hard you might think. It would really blow to have a trip stopped because some small piece if out of stock.

Any other questions feel free to ask here or via PM. Or you can ignore this too LOL. Anyway, fair winds my man! Enjoy.

Oh and to the naysayers... Attitude: it's the difference between ordeal and adventure.

Brad
s/v KIVALO
__________________
s/v KIVALO
2003 Hunter 260
"Any damn fool can navigate the world sober. It takes a really good sailor to do it drunk." - Sir Francis Chichester while loading his boat with gin.
WORK IS OVER-RATED
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

 
Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may post attachments
You may edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Swing Keel or Fixed Wing Keel? Catalina 22 or 25? BRCincy Boat Review and Purchase Forum 54 05-30-2013 11:53 AM
seaward 32 retractable keel vs fixed keel chathambreeze Boat Buyers & Sellers Forum 2 10-23-2009 09:17 PM
How does a fixed keel boat differ from keel+centerboard? phboujon General Discussion (sailing related) 9 06-11-2009 10:29 PM
Swing Keel or Fixed Keel for Caribbean Sailing SailorJim123 Boat Review and Purchase Forum 1 02-04-2009 10:15 AM
mirage 236 retractable keel skprmsb2 Gear & Maintenance 1 11-01-2001 05:42 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:15 AM.

Add to My Yahoo!         
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.1
(c) Marine.com LLC 2000-2012