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That boat looks post '73 so it should have a HIN on the transom.

As for the owner not knowing the make and model, that is red flags for me. I have never known anyone to not know what kind of boat they have. Is it priced too good to be true? Make sure you are really speaking to the actual owner.

Trying not to be prejudiced but most of the more recent scammers have trouble with the English language.

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That was a red flag for me as well. The owner works out of town but has offered to show me around the boat and run the engine, which is why I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt for now. Also there has been no talk of mailing payment (or payment of any kind) in the few emails we've exchanged.

He's given me its slip number so I'm going to look at the exterior today and then I'll decide if I want to meet with him to see the interior. If I can see any kind of number on the boat I'll write it down and see if I can cross reference it with a boat registry (I'm assuming that's doable).

The price is good, but I don't think "too good" given the market. I've seen the boat advertised over the past month; initially it was listed for $8500, but has been dropped to $6500, although he says his original price was $12000.

I'll probably have more questions when I get back, especially since I've stumbled onto some experts here
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That stove looks a little scary. Does it gimbal? Can you use pot holders to retain pots on the cooking surface? It does not look like any marine stove I have seen.
I actually thought the stove looked good (new-ish) and was a positive selling point; shows how much I know about sail boats and marine stoves. I'll keep that in mind if I look at the interior.
Perhaps someone installed an RV stove not knowing the difference, or because it was cheaper?

This will be my first sailboat, but luckily I have a sailboat savvy friend I can call on to look at it if I get serious. I'm taking the Basic Cruising Standard Course in 3 weeks though.
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This will be my first sailboat, but luckily I have a sailboat savvy friend I can call on to look at it if I get serious. I'm taking the Basic Cruising Standard Course in 3 weeks though.
I think you will be required by your insurance company to get a survey. Some of the local guys like mitiempo ( SailNet Community - View Profile: mitiempo) should be able to point you in the right direction.

With whom are you doing your basic cruising?
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Well you guys are good I must say. "SunStar" is what it says on the side.

I took some pictures and created an album just to simplify things:

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Here is what my untrained eye picked up.

The good:

- I like the size (at least as viewed from the jetty), not too big and not cramped.
- Lots of deck space compared to a Catalina 27 (the only other boat I've looked at)
- Hull seems to be in good shape visually, just some minor cracking above the windows
- Has a roller furling
- Comes with a dingy (I'm assuming)
- recently serviced diesel engine ($1000 in service according to the owner)
- new head

The bad:

- One of the windows was either open or missing! I'm hoping it hasn't been this way for long as there are otters in the marina that like to "explore" peoples boats
- The headsail (hope I'm using the right term) seems to have a number of tears in it (visible in the pictures)

Additional Notes:

- There appears to have possibly been a different window configuration at one time. There are holes that have been filled in around where the current windows are. Might have had the one piece window originally?
- Strangely enough there is a nearly identical SunStar sitting right next to this one (visible in photos), and there is a 3rd at the same marina that is for sale, but I didn't notice that until I got back home.

So I'd love to hear comments about the pictures I took, perhaps a trained eye will pick up something I missed.

Can sails be repaired or would this one need to be replaced?

Thanks for any comments!

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I think you will be required by your insurance company to get a survey. Some of the local guys like mitiempo ( SailNet Community - View Profile: mitiempo) should be able to point you in the right direction.

With whom are you doing your basic cruising?
Yes I think you're right, they told me the survey has to be done within 3 years for a boat more than 15 years old.

I'm taking the course through the Canadian Forces Sailing Association.
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They are a roomier, bigger boat than a Cat 27. This one actually looks not bad in the pics.

The dodger appears to be well made and well shaped, that's a plus. Check that the stitching is holding, esp across the top where the UV exposure is highest.

The 'torn' sail may well just be a separated UV cover and may not be a big deal to fix.

That's a nice rowing/towing dinghy, but hard dinghies are a pain to deal with when cruising, esp overnight. But that is a manageable (and minor) issue... an inflatable may be on your wish list afterwards.

Not sure but I believe these boats have encapsulated keels. Not sure either what they used for ballast (lead or iron....maybe Bob Perry would have an idea)

It does look like the windows were modified from original.. the cutouts under the plexi were shaped like the rubber trimmed windows in your pics. Likely the originals leaked badly and someone dealt with it that way. Odd to have left the forward half the way they did. Cosmetically you might want to do something about that...

I like the cockpit traveller and the fact that you can still have a dodger. Looks like a fair bit of boat for the money if a survey doesn't turn up any fatal flaws. As Jackdale said, I would expect your insurance provider to want a current survey right off the bat unless there's a recent one available from the owner - but even then I'd recommend you commission your own 'for purchase' survey.
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Looks not bad - especially for the price asked. I agree with Jack that stove is unique - looks like an RV stove and it is too large for the cutout as well as not being gimbaled but not a disaster. Interesting chainplate/port arrangement. The ports would look better if they were either all sharp cornered or all rounded. I agree with Faster the traveler is in a good location - mine is in the same place making it easy to singlehand. Engine looks clean which is a good sign that it has been looked after but not definitive.

If you buy it the first thing you should do is move that dinghy down - a winter gale would cause havoc with it there.

Here is another one listed in Oak Bay "Gamine" 28' Sunstar Oak Bay, Victoria

What marina is the boat at?
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Ha! Brian it's funny you mention the Gamine. I noticed that ad about 30 mins after returning home from looking at the first one. Oddly enough they are both at Oak Bay.

I actually had the gut feeling that the first boat mentioned was going to be a no go after those few issues (the sail and the missing window). But maybe I'm being too rash; it is a nice looking boat otherwise.

I'm not in a hurry to buy, in fact the sensible part of me says I should wait until after I finish my sailing course (early Dec), but....I have a hard time passing up a deal. If only there weren't so many of them

Any idea what a basic survey will cost me around the Vic area?
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Take someone that knows sailboats at the very least. It's always best to hire a professional to survey the boat, because the problems are not easily seen. Things like core damage to the decks and driventrain issues can be and are very expensive repairs, if not fatal to the boats. Remember, there's no such thing as "free" when it comes to a sailboat and there are tons of fine examples on the market, so take your time. Not familiar with your area, but in Florida, the title states the manufacturer's name, so see if he has that or something similar.
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