The Affordable Perfect large Day Sailor--Why has it not been built?

[overbored]

Originally Posted by Yamsailor

The Harbor 25 is too small for what I am looking for. I need it for taking people out on 3-4 hour charter sails. So the boat has to be at least 35-36 feet with a small cabin to fit a head and small galley including an icebox or refrigerator.

that seems to describe most 35-36' crusing boats. to me the best boat to use for 3-4 hour charter sails is the one with the most comfort. not all people will want to be out in the wind for that long. and even more important to most women would be the size of the facilities. I don't know how much chartering you have done but the boat you are looking for is more what a sailor would like to sail then someone who pays to charter a boat.

[WDS123]

Yam,


The Harbor 25 seems to fit your Mission requirements perfectly; 4-5 adults for 3-5 Hours daysail with private Head (sliding door) and Big insulated built in ICE Box.

The cockpit can fit 6-7 adults, but 4-5 is comfy and still spacious for lounging.

You should check out the Harbor 25 in situ before making a hasty conclusion.

[Yamsailor]

Hi WDSchock,

I have seen the Harbor 25. While I think it is a very nice boat it just does not fit my needs. I am going to be going out on the ocean as well as the bay.

[Yamsailor]

Originally Posted by overbored

that seems to describe most 35-36' crusing boats. to me the best boat to use for 3-4 hour charter sails is the one with the most comfort. not all people will want to be out in the wind for that long. and even more important to most women would be the size of the facilities. I don't know how much chartering you have done but the boat you are looking for is more what a sailor would like to sail then someone who pays to charter a boat.

Yes--I think I have come to the same conclusion.

I am examining the following boats:

Jeanneau SO35
Jeanneau SO37
Jeanneau 36i
Catalina 350
Catalina 36MKII
Catalina 380/387
Sabre 362

and one Catamaran--MaineCat 30

I would consider the MaineCat 30 if I can get it inspected for 10-passenger day sails



Bluenose yachts is building a new S&S-designed 30 foot daysailor for $150,000. It has a large cockpit and looks comfortable down below. I would like to see one finished as it looks gorgeous and although smaller than I would like, may meet my needs. I am not ready to buy one until I see a finished one. http://www.bluenoseyachts.com/S_&_S_30.html

Anybody have any other suggestions?

Thanks

[gjw0920]

Funny, concept insofar as some might contend this is an oxymoron.

However, the BEST fit we know of is the E33.

She has an 18' cockpit. For sure the largest cockpit of any boat in this class.

E 33 YACHTS

Contact Glenn Walters for more information 401 855 4355.

Built in Maine, excellent quality. Fast and easy to single handle

[Yamsailor]

Originally Posted by gjw0920

Funny, concept insofar as some might contend this is an oxymoron.

However, the BEST fit we know of is the E33.

She has an 18' cockpit. For sure the largest cockpit of any boat in this class.

E 33 YACHTS

Contact Glenn Walters for more information 401 855 4355.

Built in Maine, excellent quality. Fast and easy to single handle

I thought the E33 costs around 200K. Way over my budget.

[WDS123]

Yam,

Understand your concerns.

The Harbor 25 is a seaworthy craft, supremely capable of doing near shore ocean sailing. It has sailed successfully in near shore distance races numerous times.

Here is a illuminating article by an experienced passage maker about his experiences: Harbor 25 Sea Trials - W. D. Schock Corporation - Performance Sail Boats

Here is an excerpt regarding sailing in 3-4 ft seas in 20+knts:

The boat had a balanced helm, the spade rudder worked well and only stalled or dragged on a few occasions. While the boat was fully loaded, it never felt overpowered. In fact, the boat handled the seas much better than I had anticipated.

The hull was stiff and there was no oil canning. The rig handled the loads well with no pumping. The mast rocked on the hinged mast step and it took a few waves to get used to this but the boat was really solid and dry. The boat never pounded - it just found its' groove and sailed up and through the waves. When I was able to get on to a close reach, the boat dug in and sailed as fast as its 21 ft of waterline could muster.

In summary, the boat handled the delivery very well and I was extremely impressed. I have done this trip hundreds of times in 30 ft sloops, J-120s and one-design 48s. All got wetter and were scarier rides.


There are a number of H25s sailing in the Annapolis area. Don't dismiss it out of hand.

[mitiempo]

The Harbor 25 is a bit tight for a skipper and 6 paying guests though I think.

[WDS123]

Agreed - the cockpit fits '8' people but realistic for comfy lounging is 6 adults.

The cockpit of the Harbor 25 is an honest 109" of useable length. Not quite the enormous cockpit of a Tartan 10, but plenty big compared to it's peers.

[tommays]

You lose a LOT of credibility when as a writer you start comparing the stability and comfort of ANY 25' boat to a J120 (40' boat )