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I am glad I found your thread as these are exactly the two boats that I am considering and my intended use is similar to yours. I welcome your thoughts on the issues below:

- the cockpit and swim platform on the B41 are beyond compare, however I also felt that the back of the cockpit seats was lower and perhaps would feel less safe while heeling.

- With the 3 cabin model, storage may be minimal in both. What was your conclusion?

- I thought the lifelines were lower in the B41 and going to the bow there was less to hang on to. I then walked the 445 at the boat show and I noticed that the handrails on the cabin top were also fairly low. Do you agree?

- While I agree with you about the use of the chart table, there is something about the more traditional salon in the 445 that appeals to me.

- THe B41 lacks a traveler. Could the arch handle an accidental jibe?

- the bed in the forward cabin looked small for 2 people

Look foward to yours and anyone else's comments
Those are great questions. And I don't have great answers. What follows is my feelings, based on scampering around the show boat on the hard for a half hour at a dealer and the same at the Toronto show.

I did not notice the cockpit seating being lower than normal. My last boat was a B473 and I didn't notice a difference between the two. But I wasn't specifically checking. Regardless, felt safe to me.

Right or wrong, I tend to let the the lifelines run through my fingers going forward. I did the same with the 41 in the yard. Felt normal height to me. Not a lot of other handholds. I really liked moving forward on the 445. The lifelines are canted outboard. I'm 6'3" and had no problem reaching down on either.

From the reviews I've read, most recently Practical Sailor, the lack of a traveller has not affected performance. They say the arch is heavily reinforced. I'm sure I'll be able to report on an accidental jibe!

I loved down below on the 445. The port aft cabin is fantastic, the way it can convert from storage to workshop to cabin.

We will use one of the aft cabins on the 41 for storage for bigger items. The galley and main cabin are fine, but the lazarettes are smallish. Since the dimensions of the rest of below are the same for both the 2 and 3 cabin version, I felt there was more versatility with the 3 for when we have our kids and maybe someday their kids.

Wife prefer down below on the 41, me the 445. This is easy, she wins.

The bed itself in the forward cabin is fine for us on the B (me tall and 215#, she medium). Because it is not an island, it will be definitely be harder for one person to get in/out without disturbing the other. We ordered the extenders for the bed.

If it was only me, I would have gone for the 445 at the time. Wife had such a strong preference for the 41, it was a no brainer. With everthing I've read about the performance of the 41 for the kind of coastal sailing we do, I actually now think I would choose the 41, too. Which is good, since it will be delivered in 6 weeks or so.

A lot of opinion, without hard facts. Sorry.
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It was your opinions that I was seeking. Thanks for sharing. I may come back for more later.

Congrats on your decision.
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Armando, as I have said before i don't understand how someone can be undecided between a B41 and a Catalina 455. The Beneteau boat that corresponds to the Catalina is the 45. Even the B45 is a considerably less expensive boat than the Catalina, the B41 has no comparison in what regards price.

Regarding size it all depends of the space you need and how you are going to sail the boat: with a crew or solo with a little help from your wife.

There is a good thread about the size of a boat to sail comfortably solo or with a little help and the general consensus was that the max size should be about 40ft and that the main problem is docking and handling the sails in bad weather.

But off course with those new electric thrusters on the bow and stern things get a lot easier, more expensive and with more maintenance. If yo go for a a 45 ft don't forget to add that to the price, unless you sail with a lot of guys that can help you with docking. As someone has said, the main difference comes with height (sail area and docking) and if you compare the height of the 455 to the 41 you will see that there is a huge difference.

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Armando, as I have said before i don't understand how someone can be undecided between a B41 and a Catalina 455. The Beneteau boat that corresponds to the Catalina is the 45. Even the B45 is a considerably less expensive boat than the Catalina, the B41 has no comparison in what regards price.

Regarding size it all depends of the space you need and how you are going to sail the boat: with a crew or solo with a little help from your wife.

There is a good thread about the size of a boat to sail comfortably solo or with a little help and the general consensus was that the max size should be about 40ft and that the main problem is docking and handling the sails in bad weather.

But off course with those new electric thrusters on the bow and stern things get a lot easier, more expensive and with more maintenance. If yo go for a a 45 ft don't forget to add that to the price, unless you sail with a lot of guys that can help you with docking. As someone has said, the main difference comes with height (sail area and docking) and if you compare the height of the 455 to the 41 you will see that there is a huge difference.

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I don't know about Armando, but for me the difference in price of the 41 and the specific 445 I looked at wasn't so great (over the life of the boat) to be a sole determining factor.

The difference in length mattered to my spouse, not me. With a bow thruster, both are relatively easy to dock and with a furling main, easy to sail.

As an avid coastal weekend cruiser, I care less about a boat's ability to provide safety in a hurricane, maximum speed and more about user friendliness, cockpit space, quality, comfort and the visceral feeling the boat evokes when I look at it or sail it. Just being truthful. Maybe I'm not salty enough.

Based on the above factors, nothing Catalina makes that is smaller does it for me as much as the 445. Same for Beneteau and the 41. And I don't want to afford anything bigger or more expensive or used.

Based on my criteria, makes perfect sense to compare these two boats (to me)!
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Paulo,
To me the B45 felt a lot bigger than the 445, hence my comparison of the 445 with what felt similar, the B41. Nevertheless, your comments are valid and cause me to do some further comparisons.

I coastal sail with my wife and/or kids, ease of docking, sail handling is important.
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Beneteau or Catalina, like debating American Standard or Kohler ... they're both toilets.
But on the plus side, you get a LOT of toilet for the dollar!
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But on the plus side, you get a LOT of toilet for the dollar!
Just one head. I suspect you'd need more.
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I sail in Biscayne Bay. Where do you guys sail?
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Re: 2012 Beneteau Oceanis 41 and 2011 Catalina 445

So, my wife and I did our orientation yesterday on the Oceanis 41 and my son and I went out again today. Light and moderate air respectively.

My wife and I overnighted.

First off it's a very easy boat to sail. Ideal for singlehandling or a couple. Got it up to 7.5 knots. Don't know wind speed, wind instruments not hooked up yet. Wife said the heeling was moderate, which is supposed to be a feature of this boat. I didn't notice.

A great layout below. Obviously smaller than our 473, but better thought out, imo. Much easier access to maintenance items.

Only sailed about 3 or 4 hours total. But lots of tacking on the Delaware. Didn't miss the traveler.

This is a photo from earlier in the week. The weather this weekend was great! Can't wait to get on the Chesapeake.

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