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That's a plain old s30. Not a 3030. Mine is exactly the same as that.

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Here's a 30/30... quite a different beast, much beamier aft with fuller sections with a uniquely distinctive transom profile.


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Santana 30 and Santana 3030 are very different boats. the 3030 is a faster boat. The phrf rating tell the story. 30 = 180 and 3030 =117, that is 63 seconds per mile thats a big difference. the 3030 has more sail area and a taller rig. with a longer J so the spinnakers are larger also. the 30 is a 70s boat and the 3030 is an 80's design

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here is a question for the schock rep. what are the differences between the s30 and the s30/30 and the schock 30? also the schock 35 and the s35?
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The Santana 30 and 30/30 are different boats from different designers - the 30 was done by Shad Turner, the 30/30 by the Nelson/Marek team. The S30, as mentioned above is a IOR influenced design, whereas the 30/30 is a mid 80s design that got away from that era and is likely more a MORC based design if anything.

The Santana 35 (Shad Turner) and the Schock 35 are partially the same boat. The deck molds are the same, but they differ in bow sections and the rig. The waterline was pulled forward and the bow more plumb in the Schock 35 (allowing more of a V berth) and the fractional rig of the Santana was replaced with a masthead rig. The Schock 35 rates considerably faster and until recently commanded a much higher price. Probably still does but the base line has dropped in the past few years, so most used boats are costing less.

As far as I know there's no 'Schock 30', but the original Santana 30 may well be referred to as such now and then.

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NewportNewbie,

I apologize for my harsh reply to your post above. I was responding to two of your comments:

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I LOVE these posts debating boats and putting down boats from people who have NEVER been on one...

Also I would bet that those boats that made it, had some luck and skill of the crew to thank, maybe not really the boat itself....
I took the first to be a jab at me since my post was directly above yours, and took the last sentence as sounding a bit defensive in light of the fact that the crews in the Fastnet disaster fleet were largely experienced race crews and that one of the J-30's was being single-handed. That said, I apologize because my response was unnecessarily brusk.

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Santana 30 and Santana 3030 are very different boats. the 3030 is a faster boat. The phrf rating tell the story. 30 = 180 and 3030 =117, that is 63 seconds per mile thats a big difference. the 3030 has more sail area and a taller rig. with a longer J so the spinnakers are larger also. the 30 is a 70s boat and the 3030 is an 80's design
YOWZA that 30-30 is FAST - my Columbia 43 is not exactly a slug and it rates 111. May I assume the 30-30 surfs easily downwind?

Too bad the old 30 looks so much better!
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NewportNewbie,

I apologize for my harsh reply to your post above. I was responding to two of your comments:



I took the first to be a jab at me since my post was directly above yours, and took the last sentence as sounding a bit defensive in light of the fact that the crews in the Fastnet disaster fleet were largely experienced race crews and that one of the J-30's was being single-handed. That said, I apologize because my response was unnecessarily brusk.

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No prob...my responses were not directed at you...they were directed to the general thread...I don't take personal shots at people, if i=I disagreed with what you said, I would specifically call attention to that. I also have NO direct knowledge of the Fastnet incident, only that the type of boat may not be the only factor in a boat coming out of that. I have never been on a J/30, but I have heard great things about them. I like my S30 a lot...

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What is funny about looks......I look at newports boat, or the white S30, I feel like the S30 is a pretty nice looking boat. Look at GE, ie the boat I linked for sale......HIDEOUS with the orange and goldish stripes on it! Oh well......lol

Not sure why I thought it was a 3030, but thought the info from the YC showed it to be a 3030, it shows it to be an S30.

Speed wise, obviously the later 3030 is quicker, and a J30 is quicker than the S30. I can sometimes beat GE boat for boat with my 28' boat with my fs base of 189. GE has a 201 nfs 182fs base phrf-nw rating. J30s IIRC are 138 or 141. Not sure what a 3030 off the top of my head is rated at locally.

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