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Not to hijack the thread or anything, but what got WDSchock banned?
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Not to hijack the thread or anything, but what got WDSchock banned?
Ditto - is it permanent or did he just get sent for "re-education"? He provided a lot of good info. Did get a mite testy over any perceived slighting of his old boats.
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what i saw was, there was a discussion. he provided input with references. someone did not like the input. now he is gone.
every forum has guys that know everything. usually there is some title under their avatar. if any person fractures their all knowing status, they get rid of that person.
of course this only works within a micro environment, one like a forum such as this.
but out in the real world, this would not happen. i think i would put my money on the guy that had built thousands of boats over the last 60 years versus some johney come lately internet guru. but thats just my observation on what i can see from my house.
prolly get banned for stating the obvious. some people are very insecure.
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Don't quote me, but some others here have asked him at times to defend, but not "DEFEND" the old santana boats. I'm also not positive whom within santana was posting. Was it an employee for lack of better term or was it the new owner ie with in the last 12 or so months that bought the company from the original owners. Then again, it COULD be one of the original owners for all I know.

I do know right or wrong, there are a number of forums that disallow owners or reps from posting, as they can, right or wrong, will pull the sales strings for their product if you will. Sometimes miss rep some things....if one will.....ie earlier posting the wire strength of the rigs. While yes 30'ish% stronger if measure one way, in reality both are probably equal in ability, due to as JeffH points out, differences in design. Also similar to a single spreader rig, one can say due to the mast being literally larger diams, thicker walled it is a stronger rig vs a double spreader. But the double or triple in some cases, allows the wall thickness, and/or tube diam to be smaller, hence a lighter rig overall as the wires take a lot more of the force from the sails than a single spreader rig will. Their might be some other bigger/smaller issues in my mast example, or I might not be 100% right, only 60 or 70......but hopefully the person reading understands the what my examples and comparisons to which ultimately is better, best or some such thing. When reality is, both options work, both have plus's and minus's.

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Guys... the mods do not generally comment on any bannings - but for the record Schock's temporary vacation is due to a violation of the posted rules that every member agrees to abide by on signup, not for his opinions, just like any other member might be.

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which rule was it?
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Mike,

I see a few of the rules that may have been broken. Along with we do not know if a lace PM was not sent to and from the mod who wrote earlier and santana. Probably better to leave alone and not know the real cause.

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doesnt look good.
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A couple of comments.

Olson 34 had a Niagara 26 and wanted more interior. We had a Niagara 26 and find the change from N26 to J27 makes the Niagara seem like a palace.

J30 has a pretty nice interior by my standards. Pretty close to standing headroom - moreso than our former Niagara 26 - and seems well laid out for weekending or longer. If nothing else provides good comfort for crew who must overnight between races etc ... also they do serve Rum on many J30. Downside of the J30 I have been on is the cockpit layout - it is small and there are no seat backs. Of course the small cockpit is the tradeoff for a usable interior.

I have docked behind a Santana 3030. The owners cruise it. it is a sexy looking boat and looks beamy and light like a J29 if I am recalling the correct boat. Was not inside. not sure if they drink Rum on board

We race our J27 against a group of J/30s. They seem to hold their own against us in a breeze. I cannot fault the sailing ability of the J30.

Back to the cockpit. our J27 has a nicer cockpit. The J30 has a nicer everything else.

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There was a scorching red J30 in my marina a few years back - VERY good looking and fast looking boat. I always thought it would have looked better with some cockpit coamings - the cabin top ended pretty abruptly.

I understand all the reasons for NOT having them, but from a purely appearance standpoint they were "missing".
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