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Alberg 30 Odyssey... Info Needed

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We might have the opportunity to purchase an Alberg 30 Odyssey, and were hoping to get some expert opinions (that means you, Sailnet forumites) on the pros and cons of this boat. Be reminded that the "Odyssey" is different from the more common Alberg 30. The brief history we've found (we've already done all the google searching), is that the Odyssey was actually built to Carl Alberg's original design specs and scantlings, as opposed to the Alberg 30 which were altered by the manufacturer to cut costs. Main differences we've come across so far are that the displacement is about 1000 lbs greater in the Odyssey, it has external lead ballast as opposed to internal iron, and has a flat coachroof, as opposed to stepped. Any firsthand experience, secondhand legends, rumors and/or hearsay would be much appreciated. thanks
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Not a deal-maker or breaker, but all other factors being equal, take the lead ballast over the lighter-weight iron.
When it comes to working on old Albergs, there are a few great sites that cater to their specific problems and solutions.

FWIW, if you'd consider that boat from that era, you might want to keep your eyes open for an Ericson 30-1 or the blue-water-proven Yankee 30.

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How tall are you? The Odyssey's unstepped coachroof cuts down on the cabin height.

Unless it was built in Whitby, it ain't an Alberg 30, and unless it was built in California in the 50s it ain't a real Odyssey, so be careful.

Be careful about the fourth- hand opinions of why a design is changed- the ballast change may have been to save cost or, just as likely, because the boat didn't need the extra half ton of weight with a shorter rig and lower draft, which based on the 30s venerable history, seems to have been a wise move.
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Olson34, Do you know if the Ericson 30-1 has a spade rudder or a skeg hung rudder? And Yankees are high on our list, if we saw the right one pop up, we'd jump on it just as fast. So far, the ones we've seen have been just a little out of our price range.

BLJones, good point on the coachroof height. I'm about 6', so we'll have to check on that. ...They say it was built in San Francisco, though in 1969. SailboatData.com lists the Odysseys as being wood hulls as well, which this one isn't. And you're right, I think it's technically an (Alberg designed) Odyssey 30, which by all accounts was the precursor design to the venerable Alberg 30.

And I forgot, this particular Odyssey is also a yawl. Any thoughts on the merits/demerits of this rig on a 30' boat?

Thanks for all the input.
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The E-31-1 has a partial skeg. Friend of mine is restoring one. Seems to be very well built.
I found a pic of one with a quick google search. If you have questions, put up a thread over @ ericsonyachts.org. Several owners of that model check in regularly.

FWIW, I would worry less about the design choice for the rudder than just finding a well-designed and well-built boat.
For instance, the Bob Smith-designed Cascade 29 has a fin keel and a spade rudder, and various owners have gone 'round the world many times in many of them.
Like the larger Cascades, it has an honestly "bullet proof" layup (the shop used to have a piece of hull laminate with the 30-06 slug embedded in it to show customers) and every part was "over built".

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Duly noted on the rudder setup. We've read so many places about the pros of a protected rudder, but then we've heard just as many people reiterate what you just said "pick a well built and well designed boat." ...We recently came across an Ericson 35 Mk1 (Alberg designed). Any thoughts or experience on that one?
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The Sailing Channel used to have a series of videos showing a "This Old Boat" kind of program where they were working on the Alberg 30. I don't know if its still up, but here is the link if you want to look.

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Mr. Alberg designed beautiful boats, but in some respects, they suffer in comparison to their more modern counterparts. I have never sailed on an Alberg 30, although I have been on the Pearson Alberg 35, and a couple of other Alberg designs. The ones I have been on were tender, backed up like beasts, and were dark and cramped below. And going dead downwind, they were balky.

Don't get me wrong, I love the boats. After the initial heeling, they stiffen up nicely, you can avoid sailing dead downwind, and I never spend much time below anyway. With practice, you can get them to back up in a predicable if not docile manner. And I don't need to tell you that they are simply beautiful.

The yawl rig on these smaller boats is an outgrowth of the CCA rule that basically gave you extra sail area with no penalty under the ratings rule. There was really no need to split up the sail area for ease of handling; IMHO the main and jib on a thirty foot sloop are not so big or difficult to handle as to justify the extra cost and maintenance of another mast, rigging and sail. Most yawls of that size that I see never set the mizzen unless they are on a long beam reach; the sail is almost useless when beating into the wind, and is worse than useless off the wind. They do make a nice windvane when anchored.
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I seem to recall Jeff H describing the Alberg 30 as a CCA rule beater, and that kind of turns me off, just knowing that when Carl was at the drafting table, the "best possible design" was being balanced with "how to beat the rule." Thanks for the thoughts on the yawl rig. I like the idea of the windvane at anchor, but we don't need a whole mast to make that happen, given that all that extra rigging means more parts to replace and more $. We're still waiting on some more details to trickle in on this boat, but we've since also gotten a line on an Ericson Alberg 35. We don't know much about it yet, so we're refraining from excitement, but do you have any thoughts on that one? thanks
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Bruce King had a hand in the design of the Ericson/Alberg 35 apparently. Details at the bottom of this page: ERICSON 35-1 sailboat on sailboatdata.com
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we've since also gotten a line on an Ericson Alberg 35. We don't know much about it yet, so we're refraining from excitement, but do you have any thoughts on that one? thanks
I have been on a Pearson Alberg 35. I didn't know there was an Ericson Alberg 35. I just read the link provided by mitiempo about the Ericson's story. In any case, the two boats sure look similar. These boats are not particularly fast or manuverable by today's standards, and their accomodations below are certainly less comfortable at anchor. However, they sail beautifully, especially in boisterous conditions. And "cozy" cabin is an advantage when you are trying to function below in any kind of weather; handholds everywhere, everything close at hand, and if you do fall, you can't go far. This is not a rationalization for the small cabin; it is a purposeful design feature. And the boat is beautiful.

If you sail in an area where you need to motor in close quarters (especially backing up), and/or an area where light winds predominate, I wouldn't go for an Alberg design. It just wouldn't be fun for me, no matter how much my heart palpitates at the sight of that sheer line and those overhangs. However, if you're on a mooring and you get some wind on a regular basis, then I think it could be a terrific value and a really nice boat.

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