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I personally would keep the Catalina. Owning two boats at one time will be a huge anchor around your neck. You know the Catalina, you know what it can and can not do, what it will take to make it into the boat you want it to be. You are giving up a lot of known quantities and buying a boat that has a lot of unknown's for the possibility of an adventure you might not take.
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I thought I'd remind anyone interested in Robert Perry designed boats that he (Perry) is available for consultation for a fee. You can reach him at Robert H Perry Yachts Designers Inc. Home Page

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I thought I'd remind anyone interested in Robert Perry designed boats that he (Perry) is available for consultation for a fee. You can reach him at Robert H Perry Yachts Designers Inc. Home Page

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He also posts here every now and again - as well as over at CA.
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Hi all,

Thanks for the replies so far. I guess I should clear up the fact that I am not planning to make an offer on, or purchase this particular Valiant. Just looking and weighing my options. It is well set up for cruising though.

BTW, here is a link to the boat.

1975 Valiant Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com


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So this is a 1975. This could be a pre-blister boat. In which case, I'd say that the price is right in line. You may have a bit of wiggle room on price. What is the hull number? Anything around/above hull number 120 - 250 are the "pox" boats.

Here are some drawbacks to look out for. Its got the Westerbeke 4-107 engine...which is original to the boat! That engine is almost 40 years old now! Its going to need serious overhaul ($5k) or a repower entirely ($10-$15k).

Also, those electronics are a long in the tooth. The Autopilot alone has been out of production 10 years old. Its probably only got another couple of years left before it gives up the ghost. Factor about $12-$15k for a new suite of electronics (plotter, radar, depth, speed, ais, vhf, cabling and communication boxes, etc).

Hell, you're probably looking to rewire the entire boat after almost 40 years. You can do this job yourself, but its not fun and is painful. Probably $5-$7k to pay someone to do it.

I'd really really look at the chainplates and the chainplate knees based on what these guys experienced on their transocean trip: Syzygy Sailing » unromantic update (they had some very unkind words regarding the situation with those chainplates).

Valiants used aluminum tanks for water & fuel. As they age, they'll pitt and corrode and need to be replaced. $2-$5k job there.

All of the above points to me that this is an old tired world cruiser that probably was sold to a person with grand plans to fix her up again...but just never followed through with it. She's a boat with good bones, but will require a ton of money and time to bring up to world cruiser standards again. A lot has changed in the past 10 years in terms of kit & gear, and its all gotten so much more expensive due to commodity price inflation. Even engines and hoses since it seems like China is gobbling up near every commodity to feed their machine...I've seen 10-15% year on year price increases on things like engines and wiring.

If you can find a pre-blister boat with a new(er) engine, better electronics, rewired, with new tanks and redone chainplates for <$120k, I'd take that boat vs this one!
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I'm not so sure about that 1976 start date for their blistering. My understanding was that their use of that fire retardant resin was connected to, or a result of their military gunboat work, which was Viet Nam era.

FYI, the river gunboat dropped from the chopper in "Apocalypse Now" was a real Uniflite gunboat.
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I'm not so sure about that 1976 start date for their blistering. My understanding was that their use of that fire retardant resin was connected to, or a result of their military gunboat work, which was Viet Nam era.

FYI, the river gunboat dropped from the chopper in "Apocalypse Now" was a real Uniflite gunboat.
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Robert Perry's book states that "...the first Valiant was launched in the fall of 1974..." It also states "...Uniflite faltered and went out of business in 1984 due to a fiasco with its Hetron fire-retardant polyester resin. Hetron was the resin Uniflite had used in the boats it had built for the U.S. military deployment on the Mekong delta in Vietnam."

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Valiants are fabulous boats, they're on my short list. But I'd be looking for one thats already has a blister bottom peel already done with a nice set of cruising gear already included thats in relatively new shape (<5 years). One of these boats comes up for sale every year...
The problem is that a "blister job" is not necessarily the end of things. There have been blister jobs that required re-doing and there have been blister jobs that are supposedly holding up. I use the term 'supposedly' because the only known blister job that works is if the vast majority of the old fiberglass is peeled off. The term 'see thru' has been used for the material that is left. On the other hand, most 'blister jobs" actually done involve a surface peel and adding a couple of layers of fiberglass. If the job was done well you will get a build up of all the blister stuff at the junction of the old and the new fiberglass. If it wasn't done well it will penetrate. Maybe not in the first few years but what about ten years down the road? You also removed a bunch of fiberglass 'structure' and weakened the original structure and now you add a new layer or two of fiberglass that may contain any new blisters and cause structural weakness between the old fiberglass and the new.
Was the blister job done on just the hull? The entire boat is affected by the problem. Was the deck patched here and there or was it all peeled to the core and fiberglassed over ?
IMHO, the original issue isn't so much a structural issue but once you start peeling layers and have doubt about the inter-layer adhesion you have a potential structural issue on your hands.

As always, buyer beware .....
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On the short term that 100 K seems like a lot, spread it over a few more years and your looking at about the right amount of money. One needs to take into account they are using up some of the value, dollars, with each mile they sail. No free lunch in cruising...especially when the fish aren't biting.
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A number of experienced pro's completely decry peeling for blisters. Blisters are, with few exceptions, a surface phenomenon and should be dealt with as such.

Most of the techniques I'm aware of state you shouldn't remove the gel coat any more than is necessary. A thorough drying out followed by a good epoxy barrier coat on top of spot blister repairs should be more than enough - unless you have something more than simple blisters going on.

The depth of the blister into the laminate should tell you a lot about your situation. I've seen boats from reputable builders COVERED in blisters - like a terminal case of acne on a teenager - but none of then were deeper than the skin coat of mat - I've never seen a blister that went into the laminate proper.

My current boat is old enough to have never had a blister but my previous cored boat had a few - none were anything to worry about - not even deep enough to warrant fiber thickened filler.

I'd like to hear what CharliCobra has to say on this - he said he had a new peeling machine stolen from him, which certainly implies he intended to use it.
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