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So? Just ignore it. Do we really need a "troll patrol" on the forum to "out" people? We can figure out for ourselves if we want to participate in a thread.
I think it depends on how it's done. For those of us around for a while, it is unlikely that a troll is going to shape our opinions of sailing. However, plenty of newbies come here and they could benefit from the thought of a post being illegit. It would be helpful if calling them out was done so that it didn't chase people away from asking questions.

Everyone takes and most end up giving a shot on a forum eventually. Often the result of posting inebriated IMO
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The OP story was out there a bit and I hope he recognizes that posting while drinking will usually get one in trouble.

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As others have indicated, Catalina built the Victory 21 and marketed it as the Capri Victory (I used to own an early V21). I think it also might have been marketed as the Capri 21 at some point. The Victory was actually the boat that got Frank Butler (the founder of Catalina Yachts, and before that Coronado Yachts, and before that Wesco Marine) into boat building.

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RWilson,

First of all, as a SailNet Moderator I am sorry about the way you have been treated. This type of personal attack is against forum rules and so I have cleaned out some of the more offensive attacks. Please accept my sincere welcome to SailNet.

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Good grief: What the heck is this all about?
Did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed and decided to take it out Wilson?

Whatever the excuse, personally attacking another member is not acceptable under forum rules. As I read RWilson's posts, I see nothing that even vaguely resembles a troll. Having seen decades of posts around here, it really is not particularly unusual to see people who are faced with changing sailing circumstances and who are looking for discussion on thier situation. And frankly it is not all that ususual for members to look for people's thoughts on spouses who prefer not to sail, or who perfer to have nothing to do with boats. If you personally do not identify with Wilson's cunundrum, then don't comment. Whatever you personally think about this topic, from a forum policy standpoint, this does not represent an 'open season' on derision.

So please, try to treat each other with civility.

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Most of Galveston bay is too shallow for the size of sailboat you are thinking about. A power boat will take you many more places on your weekend outings.
On your two-week excursions you have two choices - inside or outside. If you plan to stay inside, then any eastbound travel will favor a power boat. West bound would be a wash. If you are going outside with only two weeks then a sailboat will not get you very far before you must return, or leave the boat at a distant location while the power boat will get you much further afield for more local excursions.
So, is it about going there or being there? Sailors generally value the going part more than the being there part. This philosophy might be a good conversational tack for you and your wife.
Also, what is it that has your wife in favor of motor over sail? People who don't understand the dynamics and physics of sailing are very frequently ill at ease (scared &#^less) when under sail and sailing is generally more work.
You guys have worked through some tough times to get to this point in your lives so seems you can have a discussion of the pros and cons or motor vs sail and come up with a compromise that satisfies each of you.
But don't drink so much when you get into that discussion and keep it analytic.
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And from the Victory 21 site:
"In fact Catalina ran ads as early as December 1969 with the Catalina Victory 21 as one of their boats. Regardless, at about this time Catalina Yachts acquired the manufacturing right to the Victory 21. I am uncertain if they began production immediately, but they apparently had production through 1973 or early 1974. At this time they ceased production for a period of more than a year with the board of NAVSO (National Association of Victory Sloop Owners) asking Catalina Yachts in December 1974 to make a policy statement concerning the future availability of new Victory 21 sailboats. The company resumed production through the early 1980's. The latest documented information I have shows the boat's standard price was $3,295.00 as of November 15, 1980. The final number of boats produced is about 690. The highest reported hull number is 688, a vessel located in Oklahoma.

Catalina sold the Victory as a Capri Victory 21. They used the "old style" Catalina 22 mast."
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The way I see it....there's sailing, and there's not sailing. You pick. You could sail or you could get a place in Aspen. You could sail or you could get a Winnebago. You could sail or get yourself a Searay.

I don't really view powerboats as a viable, recreational way to move over the water. The amount of fuel they use is astounding. The argument is that if I can can afford the fuel, why not? I sometimes think that all boaters should be required to fill their vessel's fuel tanks by hand with 5 gallon jerry cans, so as to gain some appreciation of what they're doing.

Here I am going all "green" on you. I say let's build the pipeline from Canada to Texas...to hell with those lizards in Nebraska, or whatever. We need to fuel our lifestyle in a reasonable way. I just don't see using a vessel that measures its fuel consumption in multiple GALLONS PER MILE is a reasonable use of resources. Man up and sail.
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This forum should be about sailboats and sailing. However, you would have to admit that what, how, and where we sail has a lot to do with the ones we live with.
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