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On advice of a friend who owns a 130" scooner, I am looking at 1980's era Catalina 30's.

A 130 inch schooner sounds very cool. Is it a scale model..?

The C-30 is a good boat. In 1988 the wood core in the keel stub was eliminated. If I were to buy one again it would be post 1988. A lot of boat for the money..
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Re: Mr. B Buys A Boat- Adventures in Boat Shopping

C30 is a good choice but be aware that there there are quite a few flavors of this boat.
"During the long production run of this basic model there were a great number of variations in rig size, keel configuration , etc.. "
Check here to look up all the various configurations this boat was made with.
CATALINA 30 sailboat specifications and details on sailboatdata.com
If you want the fastest configuration of C30 you want the full keel with tall mast version. I'd avoid the shoal draft version with the tall mast, in fact I'd avoid the shoal draft and wing keeled versions altogether unless that option appeals to you.
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Check out the Catalina 30 owners website. Lots of help to be found there.
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I'd avoid the shoal draft version with the tall mast, in fact I'd avoid the shoal draft and wing keeled versions altogether unless that option appeals to you.
Caleb, sorry but I think you're a bit off base on this one. For cruising there is surprisingly little difference between the full keeled and wing keeled versions.

There is an active C30 racing community and the fin will make a difference if you want to race.

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Check out the Catalina 30 owners website. Lots of help to be found there.
You can find them at International Catalina 30 Association
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I don't think you'll find a C30 in California for $12,000 that doesn't have some major issues to address.
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Turns out that what this guy does is buy junkers floating in the marina and turns them on Craig's list. Explains why he could not answer any questions about the boat. He never sailed it. Only had it for six months. Rigging was shot. In fact, the pictures he posted on CL were not even his. They apparently were from the previous owner's failed attempt to sell this tub. Who knows how old those were?! This guy couldn't figure anything out because he knows nothing about the boat.
Or you do the the survey he incapable of. To heck with how they sail, research will tell you that. Thru halls, Stuffing box tubing, stuff that will make it sink, then go from there. Reduce price accordingly. If he doesn't have the education , educate him, but only on the bad.
You can get some really good deals this way if you know how to survey a boat yourself. There are often people trying to get rid of boats they just got ahold of somehow and want to flip them for a few hundred bucks profit.
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You can get some really good deals this way if you know how to survey a boat yourself. There are often people trying to get rid of boats they just got ahold of somehow and want to flip them for a few hundred bucks profit.
Knowing how to survey a boat does not qualify one as a "Marine Surveyor". All insurance companies I know of want to see a NAMS or SAMS survey report before issuing coverage. Most all marinas require insurance. No survey report, no insurance...

I just recently had a customer call me for an "insurance survey" and he was then told by his insurance company that I could not do it for him.

Despite having worked on boats for a loooong time, understanding all aspects of them better than many surveyors I know, and being an ABYC certified marine electrical & systems specialist it still did not matter to the underwriter.

They demanded a report by only a NAMS or SAMS surveyor.... So the issue of an accreditation of NAMS or SAMS matters more to most insurance companies than the actual ability to conduct a thorough survey.
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There is an active C30 racing community and the fin will make a difference if you want to race.

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I guess that was my point Jim. We race our Tartan 27' against one C30 that I believe is the standard rig (fin keel but standard height mast) and often we beat him to the finish. There is another C30 at our club with the 'tall mast' version whose PHRF handicap is much lower then the other C30 we race against. The TM C30 has such a low PHRF it is not even in our racing division.

For cruising I'm sure it makes less of a difference. I'm just not a fan of winged keels as once I spent the night on an O'Day 272 that grounded and could not get off as the tide went out. The boat was left high and dry on the beach standing on the wing keel as the tide went out. Quite a night.
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Re: Mr. B Buys A Boat- Adventures in Boat Shopping

I have to agree with Caleb. The average PHRF ratings for the different versions of the Cat 30 vary from 171 to 192. The tall mast helps a lot in low wind areas, and the fin keel will result in better upwind performance. Not the the other versions are bad boats, just that the tall mast fin keel version is the best performer.
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