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I'm more risk averse than some.
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So, did not get up to Ventura to look at that Cat30 boat. I am realizing that for $12k I'll be looking at 30 foot boats that need some significant fixing, or at least sprucing up. The original reason for looking for a 30 footer is that that is what has been recommended as the more comfortable size to make the San Pedro channel crossing to Catalina with my family aboard. But, realistically, I'll never get my wife to make that 5-6 hour crossing on a sailboat. So, I went on a tangent and found what I thought would be a decent power boat ( am I allowed to utter that phrase here?). Wife seemed more interested in participating with a V8 attached to the hull. Looked at the boat. Seemed solid given its age. Nice marine Power V8 about 6years old (ad said, "New motor!") attached to a Volvo Penta Duoprop drive of unknown vintage. Took it for a spin around the harbor, on plane for just a couple seconds in the harbor mouth. Everything sounded good. Agreed to write up a purchase agreement with deposit and do a full-on mechanical and marine survey. The survey was going along just fine. Just the usual stuff one would expect of an older vessel, but the engine was good. But when we hauled her out it turns out only one prop was driving the boat. The other was just free wheeling on its shaft. An expensive fix. And this would prevent us from doing a sea trial as the boat would never get up to top speed with only one prop driving the boat. I told the seller I'd like to price out repairs and decide if I am willing to purchase the boat without a sea trial. I decided, no. He can fix his boat and then offer it up for sale again, but I'm not gonna buy a boat without a sea trial. Not even if it's free. Now he's trying a counter offer and not giving me back my deposit as required by the offer to purchase agreement. His counter offer involves me pitching in to replace the props so we can do a sea trial. My last message to him stated i was not interested in fixing HIS boat. I'm not too worried about getting my deposit back. I know how to collect money, but jeez, what a douche. Lesson learned. Back to looking for a sailboat.
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Realizing that a 30 footer is going to blow my budget- I can buy the boat , but not do any significant repairs/restoration- I'm scaling back the size. I looked at a 1970 Ericson 23. I thought, before I saw it, it would be way too small or a complete wreck. However, upon actually looking at it, it is in decent shape and surprisingly roomy for such a compact boat. In fact, the cockpit is much roomier that a Macgregor 26x (oops! The dreaded "M" word! Sorry...) and the below decks is actually quite comfortable, even though you cannot stand up in it. Comes with a Honda 4 stroke, 6 horse, long shaft (ten hours). The owner had just sailed it over from Catalina Harbor, so with a skilled skipper, it can make that crossing. Not that I would attempt it just yet. At $1500, it poses little risk for me and seems a good way to ease into sail baoting. And at that price, I would have more than enough funds to fix her up to my liking. Opinions, please.....( I know those are hard to come by here...)
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I guess that was my point Jim. We race our Tartan 27' against one C30 that I believe is the standard rig (fin keel but standard height mast) and often we beat him to the finish. There is another C30 at our club with the 'tall mast' version whose PHRF handicap is much lower then the other C30 we race against. The TM C30 has such a low PHRF it is not even in our racing division.

For cruising I'm sure it makes less of a difference. I'm just not a fan of winged keels as once I spent the night on an O'Day 272 that grounded and could not get off as the tide went out. The boat was left high and dry on the beach standing on the wing keel as the tide went out. Quite a night.
Racing is so far off my radar as to not even be a concern. I'll leave that to the skilled sailers here.
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Knowing how to survey a boat does not qualify one as a "Marine Surveyor". All insurance companies I know of want to see a NAMS or SAMS survey report before issuing coverage. Most all marinas require insurance. No survey report, no insurance...

I just recently had a customer call me for an "insurance survey" and he was then told by his insurance company that I could not do it for him.

Despite having worked on boats for a loooong time, understanding all aspects of them better than many surveyors I know, and being an ABYC certified marine electrical & systems specialist it still did not matter to the underwriter.

They demanded a report by only a NAMS or SAMS surveyor.... So the issue of an accreditation of NAMS or SAMS matters more to most insurance companies than the actual ability to conduct a thorough survey.
The marinas want a recent survey- within the last 24 months- for older boats. The insurance company will let me do a self survey.
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Re: Mr. B Buys A Boat- Adventures in Boat Shopping

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That's sounds like a very good way to get started.

I started with a 23 foot sailboat in that price range with basic overnight amenities that had no issues other than cosmetics. "Dinkin" around for a couple summers in that boat honed my sailing, boat handling, and maintainance skills and got my wife absolutely hooked not only on sailing, but on a bigger boat that would comfortably overnight more than two adults and be a better refuge for hours or days at the slip when the weather was bad. It's nice when your other half is already on board when you broach the subject of a bigger boat.

The only problems I had were outboard motor-related and the only thing I would have done differently would have been to junk the old motor that came with the boat immediately and buy a new or at least reliable outboard right from the start.

Again, this sounds like a logical, low-risk way to get started. Motor sounds like a good deal as well. I would have found a 30-35 foot boat extremely intimidating if I'd started out with that. After a couple of years on the 23 footer, moving up was easy . . . for both of us.

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That's sounds like a very good way to get started.

I started with a 23 foot sailboat in that price range with basic overnight amenities that had no issues other than cosmetics. "Dinkin" around for a couple summers in that boat honed my sailing, boat handling, and maintainance skills and got my wife absolutely hooked not only on sailing, but on a bigger boat that would comfortably overnight more than two adults and be a better refuge for hours or days at the slip when the weather was bad. It's nice when your other half is already on board when you broach the subject of a bigger boat.

The only problems I had were outboard motor-related and the only thing I would have done differently would have been to junk the old motor that came with the boat immediately and buy a new or at least reliable outboard right from the start.

Again, this sounds like a logical, low-risk way to get started. Motor sounds like a good deal as well. I would have found a 30-35 foot boat extremely intimidating if I'd started out with that. After a couple of years on the 23 footer, moving up was easy . . . for both of us.

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Thanks for that feedback. Plus, in this case, I know the pedigree on the outboard. The dive shop at Two Harbors sells their little outboards every two years just a matter of policy, regardless of hours used. This one was sold off after 10 hours.
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Friday, supposed to go down to the marina to buy the old 23 foot Ericson. She's in what they call a "temporary" slip. Good for six months. Turns out the city owned and operated marina is being rebuilt and in the future, they do not want any boats smaller than 27 feet. WTF? They currently have over 500 empty berths and they are turning away business. Anyone have a four foot long bow pulpit?
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Ah, when the economy was better maybe the marinas decided to replace small slips with bigger ones so they could soak the rich yachties.

If the 23 footer doesn't pan out, have you considered looking at Catalina 27s? I think of them as the "littlest big boats".
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Oh, bbremer, so close, yet so far.
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