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BentSailor 03-26-2012 05:52 PM

First Boat for Family of Six (in Oz)
 
Thought I'd post a better target for the thread drift (but more important subject of) the discussion here.

Basic requirements are as follows:
  • Camping berths for six, two adults and four children under twelve
  • Keel boat as we don't really have a place to put a trailer-sailor
  • ~$30K maximum price as we're not rich and are averse to borrowing before the mortgage is paid off.
  • Mostly for sailing Lake Macquarie, but plan to use it occasionally for coastal sails up to Port Stephens and down to Pittwater (40-80nm) for a couple of days "camping"

So far we've had some interesting suggestions (here & locally) that I'll list below:
  • Manitou 32 - we're ruling it out, but it does technically fit the requirements
    Edit Notes: Apparently, it does not have the right number of berths
  • Bonbridge 27 - small but sails well and does have a (cramped) six berths.
  • Carter 33 - lovely boat, fits all the requirements but the average price. Looks pretty good to me and bears investigation.
  • Clansman 30 - Great looking boat, perhaps a little cramped but seems pretty close on the mark.
  • Southern Ocean 32 - Again, looks like it ticks all the boxes. I am not sure of her sailing characteristics though.

I'm trying not to be unrealistic (no "bluewater cruiser ready to sail for under $10K" :p), but realise that fitting a family with four boys is not something easily done at this price.

Feel free to chip in on what you think of the above suggestions and/or add some more. Depending on the responses, I might edit this post with more details/models so others can find the information easily.

Lou452 03-26-2012 07:25 PM

Re: First Boat for Family of Six (in Oz)
 
I was just looking for someone to post a reply for me to look at. Six berths seems like a lot of boat? Could you try something like a boat that sleeps 4 and put two of the crew up out on deck laid out on the seats? The captian on the deck kids in the cabin. Backpacker gear has come a long way in the last few years hammocks hung above deck below the boom and from the forstay back to the mast maybe? Innovation may be your salvation ? The kids will start to go in many directions soon before you know it. Friends will have them over and you may able to camp after you had a house full of your boys best buddies.. . I have 3 so you have been blessed with one more than me. Enjoy them they grow fast !

tdw 03-26-2012 07:59 PM

Re: First Boat for Family of Six (in Oz)
 
OK, so accepting that this is something akin to camping we can narrow it down a tadge.

Nothing wrong with the camping aspect of course , just as long as folk realise that Bent is not looking for a round the world cruiser and that he is limited by his rather careless aquisition of a wife and four sprogs. :p

Lake Macquarie btw is Australia's largest coastal salt water lake roughly twice the size of Sydney Harbour and connected to the Tasman Sea by the Swansea channel. A daysail up or down the the coast will see you in Port Stephens or Broken Bay.

... and so to boats ....

Carter 33 ... nice choice but as you realise you will be pushing a barrow uphill to find one at the right price. One in Newcastle under offer at sub $30K. bit of a roughy but otherwise looks OK.

Southern Ocean 32 looks interesting and also looks like she'd be a nice thing to sail. Has the berths but otherwise pretty cramped.

Me, I'd be more inclined to consider the idea of four berths down below and camp in the cockpit. A decent boom tent would supply sufficient cover though admittedly in heavy rain you would be pretty miserable but hey, four sprogs, the missus and you are not exactly going to chirpy in anything 30 odd feet when it is bucketing. Crikey its hard enough keeping two anti social misfits like me and the talkative one happy in a wet 30'er. You know this already, so no real need for me to tell you again what ? However, with six of you on board you will need a decent sized cockpit anyway, why not take advantage of the cockpit seats as bunks ?


ps - Swanson 28 .... maybe a bit slow if you are thinking of doing the odd club race but lots of room and I think they sleep six. Probably a bit of a roughie in your price range.

http://yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-...anson-28/79363

and this .... i know nothing about them but reputable builder and if the cockpit seats are long enough she would sleep seven.

http://yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-.../hmg-30/110861

DRFerron 03-26-2012 08:37 PM

Re: First Boat for Family of Six (in Oz)
 
Six people on a 27 foot boat. That's love.

BentSailor 03-26-2012 08:49 PM

Re: First Boat for Family of Six (in Oz)
 
*laugh* "Careless acquisition". I'm going to have to use that one. See I wasn't paying attention to what I was doing and before I realised it, I was married with four kids in tow. Totally not my fault! :laugher

On the subject of the boat, "camping" is really the only affordable option I've got for a family my size. My wife loves to sail, is incredibly jealous of my twilights, and our kids are far from being able to take care of themselves. That adds up to close quarters day sailing on the lake and "camping" further out or no boat... and let's face it, who wants to confront the latter option ;)

Thanks for the options/feedback so far. Looking a the new models now.

SloopJonB 03-26-2012 10:10 PM

Re: First Boat for Family of Six (in Oz)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BentSailor (Post 850946)
*laugh* "Careless acquisition". I'm going to have to use that one. See I wasn't paying attention to what I was doing and before I realised it, I was married with four kids in tow. Totally not my fault! :laugher

Great name for a boat.

tdw 03-26-2012 11:08 PM

Re: First Boat for Family of Six (in Oz)
 
I've always had a soft spot for the ideal of boatingsailing/camping. (sorry for the meander Bent). Sleeping under canvas in the cockpit is a truly lovely thing to do even better when you can leave the canvas partly folded back and go to sleep under the stars. Trouble is when I do it I don't go to sleep, just lie there and look up. Sublime. I remember as a young bloke going canoing and pulling up to a nice spot, make a fire, cook dinner then lay out bedroll next the canoe. If it rained during the night simply pull the thing over on top of you. Cockpit of a sailing boat is a damn sight more comfortable though dem damn mosquitoes can knobble ones dream.

For Bent he needs to make sure that while he has all those berths he also needs to make sure that there is enough space in the cockpit cos thats where most of the time will be spent and you do need a bit of elbow room when actually sailing.

I'm not concerned about the overall lack of space. This boat is essentially for family outings and occasionally they'll stay on board, all the while relatively safely tucked up inside the lake.

Ilenart 03-27-2012 06:49 AM

Re: First Boat for Family of Six (in Oz)
 
I know you have specified a keelboat, however for camping with kids you may want to consider some swing keel / drop keel trailer sailers. I use to own a half share in a Farr 7500 which we left permanently in the water at a yacht club and only occasionally used the trailer. I regularly had 5 onboard and could pull the boat up right against the shore and the sprogs could get off anytime they liked and play on the beach. With the poptop and canvas cover the cockpit can be a useable extension of the living space.

The Farr 7500 would be within your price range, plenty of other also would.

Pictures say a 1000 words, below is what I mean

Ilenart

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QuickMick 03-28-2012 01:51 PM

Re: First Boat for Family of Six (in Oz)
 
I liked mine.
GRAMPIAN* 30
great live-aboard for one, worked for two, does have 6 berths (1 quarter, 1 settee, 2 on convertible dinette, 2 in vee) though I would occasionally sleep in the cockpit or on a
Eagles Nest Outfitters SingleNest Hammock from Backcountry.com
rigged between the furler and the mast... anyway, price wise it may fit the bill with enough wallet wiggle room for some upgrades.

good luck
Q
ps, if you want something that is trailerable you might want to look at the balboa 26

SloopJonB 03-28-2012 02:29 PM

Re: First Boat for Family of Six (in Oz)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by QuickMick (Post 851786)
I liked mine.
GRAMPIAN* 30
great live-aboard for one, worked for two, does have 6 berths (1 quarter, 1 settee, 2 on convertible dinette, 2 in vee) though I would occasionally sleep in the cockpit or on a
Eagles Nest Outfitters SingleNest Hammock from Backcountry.com
rigged between the furler and the mast... anyway, price wise it may fit the bill with enough wallet wiggle room for some upgrades.

good luck
Q
ps, if you want something that is trailerable you might want to look at the balboa 26

He's unlikely to find any of those in Ozzie. ;)


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