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Does anyone have experience with the Swan 42 designed by Ron Holland and
built by Nautor during the early 80's. I would be grateful for any observations concerning the boat, good or bad. Nautor built 38 in this period.
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Re: Swan 42/003 1981 Ron Holland

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Does anyone have experience with the Swan 42 designed by Ron Holland and
built by Nautor during the early 80's. I would be grateful for any observations concerning the boat, good or bad. Nautor built 38 in this period.
I have no experience sailing one but I know it's one of the most beautiful, expensive and high quality boats ever. What else do you need to know?

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Re: Swan 42/003 1981 Ron Holland

This model is very similar (in design era and size, not finish and class) to our old Choate 40 (designed by Scott Kaufman) but is about 4-6000 lbs heavier with the same sail area. Clearly an IOR influenced design she's got the big foretriangle and all the issues that go with large large genoas and spinnakers.

No doubt she'll be a beauty.. we enjoyed our boat very much for 12 years and managed to live with the IOR idiosyncracies by being careful about sail selection and AW angles downwind. Upwind rockets... The fit and finish should be in the stratosphere compared to our 'cruisified' race boat, but could be a pretty nice ride. Might be overpriced in todays market, though, based on the name, and for similar money you may be able to find a 'better, more balanced' design for cruising.

Still, that wedge deck/blue stripe always gets the pulse rate up, doesn't it?


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Re: Swan 42/003 1981 Ron Holland

"IF" the 003 is the hull number, I'm thinking I have seen an S42/003 in some of the US boat rags for sale for some time. So it is either overpriced for what it is........or........

With that in mind, Swan did have some teak deck issues that are showing up currently, expensive to fix. BUT, it is still a Swan!

On the other hand, if I could afford one, I would. Altho probably not one that old, more like the club swan 42 or swan 45.

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Re: Swan 42/003 1981 Ron Holland

I confess that the access arrangements on those Holland Swans put me right off them and how on earth you can rig up an effective dodger arrangement is quite beyond me.

Having lived with a fabulous dodger/enclosed cockpit arrangement for the past year I'm absolutely a believer in giving the crew wet weather protection.

My last concern about the older Swans would be that many of them were , to use an Americanism, rode hard and put away wet.

That said, if these are not high priorities and you are happy with the condition, Swans are pretty damn gorgeous.

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Re: Swan 42/003 1981 Ron Holland

I'd agree the dodger arrangement is more race and less cruise. Really just depends how you intend to use the boat. If in full cruise mode there is quite a good aft cockpit dodger solution I have seen on a 42.

As for condition, the survey was excellent, fundamentally very sound in the important areas. Of course in any boat that's 30 years old there are cosmetic and systemic issues. We have found nothing that is not easily corrected or upgraded. Fortunately things like sails and deck have been renewed in the last
5 years.

So with a little effort you end up with a lot of boat
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Re: Swan 42/003 1981 Ron Holland

James,
Absolutely correct re "the use the boat is put to". We only cruise, round the buoys or even offshore racing is simply not on our agenda. I've also seen Holland Swans with dodger setup as you describe but for mine the trip from behind the dodger to the main access hatch is a worry but that is only from a cruising comfort aspect.
New deck, new sails. Big points in this boat's favour that is for sure.
You sound like you know exactly what you are buying and that she is exactly what you want. I hope all goes well with the purchase.
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ps - not heard back re the haul out facility as yet.

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Re: Swan 42/003 1981 Ron Holland

Andrew, many thanks for your response, we appreciate it.
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PS. We did once have wombats like yours living under the house.
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Re: Swan 42/003 1981 Ron Holland

We own a '76 Swan 41, which is S&S designed. These boats are wonderfully built and have held up extraordinarily well over time. My only reservation about the Holland design is that because he desgned for them for a shorter period of time than S&S or Frers, the Holland Swans may not have developed as devoted a following as the S&S or Frers designed Swans, which may have some effect on resale value. I'm sure it is a wonderful boat, though.
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