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Re: Trying another tack... Looking for the right boat near Vancouver, BC.

If you are thinking of living aboard year round in Vancouver a pilothouse should be high on your list.

As for single handing, I am 64 and single hand my 44 footer without too much hassle. Slab reefing main.

Go and have a look at this clicky a pilothouse with some good kit.

If you are a fit 6 footer you will quickly learn to manage her. Warmer than anything else you are looking at and a MUCH BETTER liveaboard.

My concern would be the deck. It would need to be gone over by someone who knows what they are doing. If it looks like the whole deck is rotten and needs replacing walk away, a couple of sq feet would be an easy fix.
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Re: Trying another tack... Looking for the right boat near Vancouver, BC.

Other than the CS36T which looks ideal(shoal draft, good tankage, good power generation, only worry is no hour meter on the engine)
CS 36 Traditional


Wistful thinking...
http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi...g_id=1728&url=
31'
Wish I could afford it, but if anyone sees one for less... I love the layout.
Pacific Seacraft 31
Year: 1990
Current Price: US$ 89,500
Located In Seattle, WA
Hull Material: Fiberglass
Engine/Fuel Type: Single diesel
YW# 1728-2373919


These are some of the ones I'm most interested in locally and in my budget. I've got secondary lists for boats that are outside my budget, or looking like more serious projects.




TrueNorth 34 cutter, Vancouver moorage available - British Columbia Sailboats For Sale - Kijiji British Columbia Canada.
1978 Truenorth 34 “Palindrome”
Offshore capable, fully equipped, full keeled cutter
Extremely strong Airex cored hull above water line, Solid Glass below
The following is a only a partial list of equipment;
Universal 35hp diesel (Kubota) 4 cylinder, glow plugs, 300 hours since new
Campbell sailor 3 blade with new shaft and drip less cutless bearing
125 Gallons fuel racor seperator and polishing system , 120 Water with filtration
Variable speed Water pump and Paloma hot water heater
4 golf carts over 500 Amp hours total, Xantrax Truechage 20, Xantrax bat monitor
2 UNI-SOLAR Solar panels and controller 8 amps@ 12V peak
Dickinson propane 2 Burner gimbaled oven, BBQ and Dickinson Diesel fireplace
JRC 1500 Radar on free standing pole, Standard Horizon DSC Radio with RAM mic
GPS Chart Plotter with digital maps for West Coast and all paper charts as back-up
Built in depth sounder and water speed indicator
EZ Kold Holding plate Freezer/Fridge, Danfoss BD 50 compressor Digital control
27 Samsung LCD TV with 500 watt Sony surround sound DVD player
Kenwood Audio, MP3 ,cd , system with remote
TP3000 tiller pilot linked to GPS

Vela Yacht Sales (Victoria, BC)
Has tender and new rigging in 2006. I love the look of a Ketch.
Boat Name: Te Tiaroa
Year: 1976
Current Price: Can$ 22,500
Located in Victoria, BC
Hull Material: Fiberglass
Engine/Fuel Type: Single diesel
YW# 15664-2457485



http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi..._id=68091&url=
32'
fireplace nice upgrade has tender.
Aloha 32' Sloop
Year: 1982
Current Price: Can$ 34,900
(US$ 35,252)
Located In Ladysmith, BC
Hull Material: Fiberglass
Engine/Fuel Type: Single diesel
YW# 68091-2396687


http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi..._id=74939&url=
Very unique, I'd love to know how they sail, the layout and especially the handholds everywhere look very interesting.
33'
Swift Sloop
Year: 1983
Current Price: US$ 49,500
Located In Port Ludlow, WA
Hull Material: Fiberglass
Engine/Fuel Type: Single diesel
YW# 74939-2401955



Spencer 35 Mark II Sloop/Cutter Sailboat - British Columbia Sailboats For Sale - Kijiji British Columbia Canada.

is a very safe and comfortable coastal and offshore 35ft. cruising sailboat. Can be easily configured as either a sloop or cutter. Blue Book registerred in Canada for offshore sailing. Made famous by Hal Roth and wife who sailed ths same model of boat to many areas of the world. Recent marine survey (in and out of water) completed and available. Excellent condition with many upgrades and lots of storage. Comforably sleeps 4, can sleep up to 6. Recent upgrades include Yanmar 3GM30F fesh water cooled engine, Northstar Main Sail, Dodger & Sail Cover.Upgraded Electronics include Raymarine ST60 Wind, Tri-Data & Multifunction Instruments, Garmin GPSMap, Icom DSC Radio & Multistage Statpower Batery Charger. Most of Electrical cabling replaced/upgraded including new VHF cabling and Antenae. Includes recently installed Holding Tank, Macerator Pump and PYI



1986 Canadian Sailcraft CS33 Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com
full windvane and 10k cheaper than other CS33s, makes upgrading refrigeration, heating and power feasible. Deep keel is unfortunate
Year: 1986
Current Price: Can$ 37,900
(US$ 37,980)
Located In Nanaimo, BC
Hull Material: Fiberglass
Engine/Fuel Type: Single diesel
YW# 76246-2373000


http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi..._id=23304&url=
Ready
CS 33 Sloop
Year: 1982
Current Price: Can$ 47,000
(US$ 47,099)
Located In North Vancouver, BC
Hull Material: Fiberglass
Engine/Fuel Type: Single diesel
YW# 23304-2360189

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi..._id=11024&url=
33'
CS 33
Year: 1981
Current Price: Can$ 39,900
(US$ 39,984)
Located In Nanaimo, BC
Hull Material: Fiberglass
Engine/Fuel Type: Single diesel

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi..._id=23304&url=
Ready
CS 33 Sloop
Year: 1982
Current Price: Can$ 47,000
(US$ 47,099)
Located In North Vancouver, BC
Hull Material: Fiberglass
Engine/Fuel Type: Single diesel
YW# 23304-2360189



http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi..._id=68091&url=
Niagra 31
Good tankage, low hour new engine, recently gone over fully.
Year: 1981
Current Price: Can$ 41,000
(US$ 41,086)
Located In Sidney, BC
Hull Material: Fiberglass
Engine/Fuel Type: Single diesel
YW# 68091-2378254

31' Niagara 1981 - "Hadar" Victoria City, Victoria
Builder/Designer
Hinterhoeller, St. Catherine, Ont./German Frers
Niagra 31
Hull Material
FRP
Engine/Fuel Inboard (New in 2005)/Diesel 710 hrs
Dimensions
LOA:
31'
Beam: 10' 3"
Draft: 5'
Engine
Make: Volvo
Model: MD2030 Sail drive
Tankage
Fuel: 22 US Gal
Water: 25 US Gal Holding: 15 US Gal



http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi..._id=51729&url=
Bombay clipper 31
Year: 1978
Current Price: Can$ 33,900 Tax Paid
(US$ 33,971)
Located In Captains' Cove Marina Delta, BC
Hull Material: Fiberglass
Engine/Fuel Type: Single diesel
YW# 51729-2318630


1969 BRISTOL 33 Sail Boat cruiser


Bristol 33
4-30 "UNIVERSAL" DIESEL 25HP, 30 gallon stainless tank with 3 fuel filters
WATER TANKS 1 twenty gallons and 1 twenty five gallons = 45 gallons total




Sailboats: 34' Klaus Grueber Roberts 34 Sloop - Listing #: 3787

Home built roberts 34, newish, very good specs for price
Year:
1993
Price:
$39,900 CAD



http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi...g_id=4144&url=
Completely refit and painted Albin Ballad 30
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Re: Trying another tack... Looking for the right boat near Vancouver, BC.

Putting a True North 34 and a CS 33 on the same wish list just doesn't make sense.. you need to first figure out what kind of boat you want. Have you read the 'full keel vs fin keel' threads? Some homework there so that you can start comparing oranges with oranges.

I'm surprised to see so many CS33s listed locally.. they are usually rare as hens' teeth. While I'd be a bit leery of the low priced one, it's worth a cautious look for sure. If the other one has $10K worth on goodies/features it may be the better long term choice. I like these boats, esp for single or one couple accommodation. They are not well set up for guests. Great reputation for soild build, decent performers. Around here the deep draft is not a problem, but an asset. I'm sure a good, well prepared one will do just fine offshore.

The Aloha 32 is a 'shippy' looking cruiser from a good designer, Mark Ellis, it's essentially a mini Niagara 35, along with the unconventional layout of her big sister. Again a decent single couple's boat, robust long fin and spade rudder at least she'll be able to get out of her own way!

The Niagara 31 is a sleeper performer.. A German Frers design hidden under the cruisey look of the Aloha/Niagara style. Another layout not ideal for many guests, but sounds like that's not going to be a problem for you as a single liveaboard/couple.

Personally I'd be looking at these above rather than the heavy full keeled boats, even for ocean passages, but that's a personal subjective choice. One you need to make before you start to shop....
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Re: Trying another tack... Looking for the right boat near Vancouver, BC.

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Not too keen on the pilothouses to be honest... My understanding is that they are not great in high winds, and there is the risk of serious water entry if you lose a window.
Plus I don't think trying to look over the top sounds like too much fun.
Boats like the Aloha 32 or CS 33/36T already have enough headroom for me anyways.
Check out the 316 and 353 online. They do not expose a great deal to wind. I have sailed a 353 it would make a very good liveaboard.
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Re: Trying another tack... Looking for the right boat near Vancouver, BC.

Yes, I also followed through with the Mahina summaries, wikipedia, and a good dig through the back and forth arguments on boatdesign forum.
Ideal is either a deeper modified(cutaway) full keep vs a shallower heavily built fin( like the CS 36 with shoal draft) I also noted as a negative in my notes the deep draft fin on the CS33.
The deep draft is an asset until I screw up
So it is not a deal breaker for me, but rather something to be cautious about, and definitely a factor to consider.
Likewise with the full keel on the True North 34, it is at the far end of my desired attributes(ideal is in the middle between the two).
I'm trying to keep an open mind though, a deep fin means a bit more speed, but more risk. Within reason either is acceptable, just not ideal, my ideal is the balance between the two, which I(correctly nor not) believe to exist within my budget on either a heavily built long shoal draft fin or a modern cutaway full keel.



My ideal would one of the twin keel designs that could equally happily sit on the beach as sail. Or even something like the Hogfish Maximus if it wouldn't handle so terribly offshore. Budget and reality constraints apply however.
I even like the idea of ferrocement(the flexible and ultra durable high end versions, not the home built crap.)
Not so much this kind though.


TQA: Little too big for me, though I have always had a soft spot for ferro-cement, my dad would never agree to it. I asked about a cement boat when I was little and we were sailing out from the RVYC. He had rather strong opinions on them.
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Putting a True North 34 and a CS 33 on the same wish list just doesn't make sense.. you need to first figure out what kind of boat you want. Have you read the 'full keel vs fin keel' threads? Some homework there so that you can start comparing oranges with oranges.

I'm surprised to see so many CS33s listed locally.. they are usually rare as hens' teeth. While I'd be a bit leery of the low priced one, it's worth a cautious look for sure. If the other one has $10K worth on goodies/features it may be the better long term choice. I like these boats, esp for single or one couple accommodation. They are not well set up for guests. Great reputation for soild build, decent performers. Around here the deep draft is not a problem, but an asset. I'm sure a good, well prepared one will do just fine offshore.

The Aloha 32 is a 'shippy' looking cruiser from a good designer, Mark Ellis, it's essentially a mini Niagara 35, along with the unconventional layout of her big sister. Again a decent single couple's boat, robust long fin and spade rudder at least she'll be able to get out of her own way!

The Niagara 31 is a sleeper performer.. A German Frers design hidden under the cruisey look of the Aloha/Niagara style. Another layout not ideal for many guests, but sounds like that's not going to be a problem for you as a single liveaboard/couple.

Personally I'd be looking at these above rather than the heavy full keeled boats, even for ocean passages, but that's a personal subjective choice. One you need to make before you start to shop....

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Re: Trying another tack... Looking for the right boat near Vancouver, BC.

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If you are thinking of living aboard year round in Vancouver a pilothouse should be high on your list.

As for single handing, I am 64 and single hand my 44 footer without too much hassle. Slab reefing main.

Go and have a look at this clicky a pilothouse with some good kit.

If you are a fit 6 footer you will quickly learn to manage her. Warmer than anything else you are looking at and a MUCH BETTER liveaboard.

My concern would be the deck. It would need to be gone over by someone who knows what they are doing. If it looks like the whole deck is rotten and needs replacing walk away, a couple of sq feet would be an easy fix.
It's ferro. Better have it checked out by someone who knows ferro well. Locally, both John Samson and Chris Deiner are gone now and the were the fount of all knowledge re: ferro construction. Also, $39K is a lot for ANY ferro boat on this continent.

The CST is a much better choice IMHO, even though it's 1/2 the size.
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Re: Trying another tack... Looking for the right boat near Vancouver, BC.

Half the size is a perk, not a negative :-) The 36T is just about right in my eyes, for volume, capacity but my dad is concerned about the increased weight and extra length for manovering at low speed. While I understand his concern, I feel that the extra 4000lbs and length is a benefit in a liveaboard especially under heavy weather conditions. I will be unlikely to be spending much if any time in close quarters in a Marina. Fuel and water tanking up is simplified by having well over triple the capacity.
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Handling is NOT going to be an issue with a CS 36T, or a 33. Many of those others on your list would be.

The Coopers are better sailboats than most pilothouses.. not really into the 'motorsailer' genre with those. They are roomy for their length.

The Northsea 34 is another good one, there are a few around as they were mainly built here.
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Re: Trying another tack... Looking for the right boat near Vancouver, BC.

If only it didn't have nearly 7' of draft... Were these ever made in a shoal draft version?

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi...g_id=1012&url=

Yamaha 36, nicely rebuilt new rigging in '06. I really like the layout, seems to be an interesting compromise between pilothouse and a normal deck.
Love the layout.

EDIT; I looked at both of those pilothouse yachts. The Northseas look to be a fair bit out of my budget, and both have saildrives, which I've got some pretty serious reservations about because of what I've read about them online. Coopers actually looked pretty interesting, is there a large issue with pilothouses and wind, how does one deal with a pilothouse offshore?
Were any versions made with shaft drives?
I suppose a saildrive could be fairly easily converted to electric via a Torqueedo, though they'd be a little short on power according to their specs on a boat that size.

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Re: Trying another tack... Looking for the right boat near Vancouver, BC.

I don't quite understand your reservations on what you refer to as deep draft. A draft of 6 1/2' can go anywhere, with the possible exception of some of the Bahamas. Generally a boat with deeper draft is better to windward.

Boats of all drafts can hit bottom. Owners of shallow draft boats may be worse off as they can be a bit more adventurous.

CS33 and CS36T are both great boats, and roomier than others you are looking at. For example the CS36T is over 2' wider than the Spencer 35 which can be a bit tight below. The Yamaha looks pretty good as well - I would not worry about the draft.

I would forget the Westerly. A center cockpit 32' without a passageway to the aft cabin is like a 26' boat inside.

36' is not hard to handle - the bow is just a bit farther away.
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