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I got talked out of the boat I was looking at previously by the good folks here, while it did have the impossible to find live-aboard slip here in Vancouver it was unlikely that it would work out for me in the long run(too big).
Right after I suggested I didn't completely have my head in the clouds on the fact that a boat would be a lot of work.

Coming at it from a different angle, what got me interested in boats in the first place was the stories of small boats being single-handed. I'm looking for a boat I can live-aboard, and eventually take offshore once I have enough experience. My dad will be teaching me to sail it as I have no experience in anything bigger than an FJ.


I've created a fairly exhaustive list of all the boats currently for sale that fit my budget and possibly my needs within reasonable distance.(yachtworld, craigslist, kijiji etc).
Budget is about 50, 000$ all in. A bit more for something perfectly suited and already set up, or a lot less for something in need of a lot of work.
I am 6' tall barefoot, 150lbs so narrow spaces to work on stuff aren't too much of an issue, but headroom to stand would be nice.

Musts:
Good Storage capacity(especially for water and fuel)
Durable/secure portholes
Well built, properly attached bulkheads to hull etc.
Sea-kindly design
Singlehanding friendly(lines led to cockpit etc)


Likes:
Easy to get in and out of from a tender/dinghy
Shoal draft(less than 5'6") Or modern cutaway full keel/fin keel that can take minor grounding bumps if deeper.
Narrow/rectangular or T shaped cockpit, I don't entertain people a lot, and comfort in rough weather for me is more important than room for visitors.
Headroom 6'2" or greater if there is at least standing headroom in the galley I can get by for the right boat.
Solar/wind generation already on board.
Independent house batteries.
Watermaker
Good ground tackle
Tender included

Size: 27'-36', 30-33 ideal.

Whatever I get I strongly suspect I'll be trying to get one of Brent Swain's stainless steel woodstoves. I lived with wood heat in BC interior, I like it and don't mind the effort to feed and maintain a wood-stove.


Boats currently for sale within range:
Best:
CS36T(My dad has concerns about the size, but other than the length it seems a perfect fit for all my specs)
True North 34
Aloha 32
Westerly Renown 33'
CS 33
Niagra 31
Spencer 35 MkII
USA Albin Ballard(total refit in the past 4 years rigging, new engine etc)
USA Swift Sloop 33'(handholds everywhere, nice layout)

Acceptable:
Alberg 30
Bristol 33
Murray 33' cutter steel.
Ontario 32'

Boats I like that I can't find or can't afford:
Crealock 31.beautiful one in Seattle, probably my favorite out of all the boats I've seen, but it's almost double my 50, 000$ budget.
Almost any Robert Perry design.
Niagra 35
C&C 34+


Any thoughts, leads on other boats I might not have considered, especially local(West coast of BC) ones would be much appreciated. I really like the way a Ketch rig looks, and the Renown is very attractively priced, but I'm trying to start with what I need/want first and narrow down to what fits rather than starting with a boat I like the look of and trying to adapt my needs to it.

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Re: Trying another tack... Looking for the right boat near Vancouver, BC.

Rather than limiting your choice on length, it makes more sense to me to be sure there is nothing on board that you are unable to lift by yourself. Your thoughts on cockpit design make sense, but again sit down in one first, and lean back. Is the sitting comfortable. For hours on end? How about laying down in the cockpit seat? How about laying on the cockpit seat, and trying to read? Many will disagree, but I think that boats are like shoes - if they pinch, don't buy it.
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Re: Trying another tack... Looking for the right boat near Vancouver, BC.

Check out Islander Freeport 36's. Perry design in you price range. Roomy (I'm 6'4"), lots of storage, comfortable live-aboard and strong support community (FOGgers : Owners and others interested in the care and feeding of Islander Freeport 36-foot and 38-foot sailboats). We are buying one for live aboard near Vancouver and eventual offshore.

More radical alternate join a sailing coop, like Barnet, and build your sailing/cruising experience on the West Coast very cheaply while you look for the perfect boat.
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Boats currently for sale within range:
Best:
CS36T(My dad has concerns about the size, but other than the length it seems a perfect fit for all my specs)
True North 34
Aloha 32
Westerly Renown 33'
CS 33
Niagra 31
Spencer 35 MkII
USA Albin Ballard(total refit in the past 4 years rigging, new engine etc)
USA Swift Sloop 33'(handholds everywhere, nice layout)

Acceptable:
Alberg 30
Bristol 33
Murray 33' cutter steel.
Ontario 32'

Boats I like that I can't find or can't afford:
Crealock 31.beautiful one in Seattle, probably my favorite out of all the boats I've seen, but it's almost double my 50, 000$ budget.
Almost any Robert Perry design.
Niagra 35
C&C 34+
Congrats on having the wisdom to actually LISTEN to the voices of experience.

You'd be doing well to get a CS36T for less than $50K - if you've found one, be suspicious of condition. It's not too big to handle - not really any more work than others you've listed.

I'd forget the Alberg 30 - too skinny & cramped for liveaboard - that door setup to close off the head is a pain.

You might add the Spencer 31 - good boats and they have that old "California" layout with a U-dinette opposite a starboard fore & aft galley - pretty spacious for a 31' to live on and WAY under your $ limit.

Peterson 35 from Martin Yachts - three different decks and two different interiors. Big, spacious and fast. The last version with the aft dinette layout is very spacious for liveaboard. They are well within your $ range.
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Re: Trying another tack... Looking for the right boat near Vancouver, BC.

There's an S&S 42 in SFO you can single hand and fits all your requirements...if it's still for sale asking $42,500. I have had the 37ft version for 25 years and it's bullet proof, modern design, and fast. Designed buy S&S after Intrepid (twice Americas Cup winner) and built by Chris Craft. Check it out.

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There's an S&S 42 in SFO you can single hand and fits all your requirements...if it's still for sale asking $42,500. I have had the 37ft version for 25 years and it's bullet proof, modern design, and fast. Designed buy S&S after Intrepid (twice Americas Cup winner) and built by Chris Craft. Check it out.

chris craft sailboats for sale by owner.
That boat has been for sale for YEARS. I've seen it dip slightly below $40K but they must be very firm on price for it to have languished so long. It had a very extensive refit a number of years ago - that's probably why the price is stuck. It's been so long now that it'll need a new one soon.

There's a sister to it in Bellingham that I see every time we eat at one restaurant - beautiful lines with a sheer that even Rhodes would have envied. They look better in the flesh than in pics as well. Calling it a "modern design" is a bit of a stretch though, even if it does have a fin keel. If it was still 1980, maybe. That said, I can see myself looking good on one.

VERY high row away factor.
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Re: Trying another tack... Looking for the right boat near Vancouver, BC.

Cripes, $50K. I can work with that. Okay, let's see if I got this straight- young guy, not much experience, needs headroom, ready to rock, up to 33 feet, liveaboard, PNW.
I'm thinking pilothouse. If you're gonna live aboard, live comfy.

Gulf 29 or 32.
1986 Gulf 29 Pilothouse Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com Yeah, sale pending, but it gives you an idea.
1977 Gulf Pilothouse Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

Saturna 33

1991 Saturna Pilothouse Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com


Should be a couple for sale on the west coast, as they are a Garden design.

Rawson 32 PH

If you'd rather have space and comfort over sailing ability, there is always a willard vega horizon:
C U Later, A 1974 30 ft Willard Vega-Horizon for sale.
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Meanwhile, at the opposite end of the desirability spectrum....
Morning Wind II, A 32 ft 1976 Bayliner Buccaneer 320 sloop for sale.
$39,900????!!!!???? Is somebody high?
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Cripes, $50K. I can work with that. Okay, let's see if I got this straight- young guy, not much experience, needs headroom, ready to rock, up to 33 feet, liveaboard, PNW.
I'm thinking pilothouse. If you're gonna live aboard, live comfy.
Good point BL - I can think of two local PH boats - the Cooper 316 and 353. The 353 might take a bit of a search or serious haggling for $50K but could probably be done. The 316 dips into the $20's sometimes. Both would be prime liveaboards and usually seem to be equipped for it.

Some of the nicer year round boats for this area.

There are also some North Sea 34's that were built by Beaver Glass - it was a British boat they brought tooling over for. They tend to be scarce and with high asking prices though.
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Re: Trying another tack... Looking for the right boat near Vancouver, BC.

Not too keen on the pilothouses to be honest... My understanding is that they are not great in high winds, and there is the risk of serious water entry if you lose a window.
Plus I don't think trying to look over the top sounds like too much fun.
Boats like the Aloha 32 or CS 33/36T already have enough headroom for me anyways.

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