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the time is now. =) Buying to a price point. =(

The goal: financable boat. able to pay it off in 5 years or less. 600 a month or less.

The location: SF bay.

The current task. Liveaboard and bay sailing.

The goal. When paid off to take off indefinatley, starting with a down the coast trip, and then going where the wind takes me (as finances allow)

Any and all advice wanted.

1.) boat.
must have shower. decent galley, sail well (point well) prefer tiller to wheel. must be reletivley inexpensive, and robust.

Right now the only that fits my specs that I''ve found is a Tartan 30, starboard galley.


2.) financing?
I''ve been told I can finance older used boats? is this true? Who should I talk to? (I''m debt free and have a 750 FICO =)

3.) getting started living aboard
I presume most of the ins and outs will become self explanitory, but any hints and tips that would have saved you grief had you known it before you started, would be apreciated.

Thanks.

(and yes, I know this should be 300 diffrent threads, and that some of my questions have been answered before, but I belive in this context, the existance of other questions here dramaticly influence the answers to the others. I may be wrong, in which case I appologize for creating too much traffic on this already overly busy board )

Thanks very much, and I look forward to seeing you on the water, in a real honest to God big boat.

-- James
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the time is now. =) Buying to a price point. =(

Congratulations on finally getting to the point where all of these questions will actually be put to good use! 8^)

There are a lot of options that would work well for what you want to do. Some better than others. Here is a partial list of options:

Albin Ballad 31:
These are very pretty boats with good sailing manners but are a bit cramped down below. They were very well constructed. They usually have tillers but would need to have a shower added. I have seen them for less than $10K but most are a bit more.

Beneteau First 32 (mid 1980''s): These German Frers designed sloops are actually quite well constructed and offer a very nicely finished and laidout interior for a single person living aboard. The head is aft by the companionway where there is maximum headroom and moisture can be vented.

C&C 32:

C&C Corvette (31):
Keel centerboard boats from the late 1960''s they sail well and offer access to shallower venues. Very simple but workable interior. Usually these were tiller steered. Usually asking in the teens.

Chris Craft Cherokee 32:

Chris Craft Capri 31: These S&S designed sloops were designed for the charter trade and were fairly beefy boats.

Dehler 31/32:
Well constructed, fractionally rigged performance cruisers with especially nice interior layouts.

Ericson Independence 31:
These are really neat boats that featured tradition topsides and a modern underbody.

Express 30 (Goman Express) These were nicely built Canadian boats that came in two forms, a stripped out race and a cruising version. The cruising version would better suit your needs. In a lot of ways this would be one of the best boats on this list in terms of offer a reasonable live aboard and good performance.

Farr 30: I don''t know this specific boat but Farr designed a number of mid-sized performance cruisers. http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/pl_boat_detail.jsp?currency=USD&units=Feet&checked _boats=1174679&slim=quick&

Galaxy 32sometimes listed under American Boatbuilding Corporation)These were oldies but goodies. They offered very simple interiors and good construction. They sail very well and you often see them listed in the teens.

Hunter 31: (1980''s)
For all of the Hunter bashing that you see on the internet these were actually pretty good boats that sailed quite well. They would not fall high on my list as an offshore boat but they are reasonable for what you want to do. I can''t recall the head on these boats and I believe that most had wheels.

J-30:
These boats offer good performance and reasonable accomodations. Their fractional rig makes for good single-handing capabilities.

Pearson 10M

Pearson 323(late 1970''s early 1980''s)
Simple good cruisers with little pretensions beyond that. They offer a nice interior layout. These are not high performance boats but they well. Usually these are wheel steered.

Palmer-Johnson 30: A close cousin to the Tartan 30 but better constructed.

Pearson 31/32 (early 1980''s):
These evolved from older IOR race boats. The 31 was fractionally rigged and the 32 had a masthead rig. The 31''s were all tiller steered from the factory. The 32s came both ways.

S2 9.1''s: These are more racer than cruiser yet they offer very good sailing ability, lots of room and a reasonably nice layout.

Tartan 30: One of my favorite 30 footers of this era. (The Tartan 300 which replaced the 30 does not appeal to me as much as the 30 but offered a nicer interior.)

This list should be a reasonable starting point for your search. Good hunting....

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the time is now. =) Buying to a price point. =(

The J30 doesnt have the retractable bow sprit for flying the asymetrical. You get my hopes up and then crush them. You Bastard!!! (Sorry, I''m enamored of the modern flush bow, retracting bowsprit J''s I admit it, a fine asthetic that shows off a boats ability to perform (without being compromised to become a rules whore) just sends shivers down my spine)

And yet, she still has an air of... something fun to sail. I will have to con a ride on one of those shortly.

And now to go check out the rest of the boats you recomended. That name just caught my eye, and so I had to check on her first.

Thanks agian.

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the time is now. =) Buying to a price point. =(

I guess you can skip the rest of the list as well - none of the other boats mentioned will have a retractable sprit. A sprite is a late-90''s innovations showing on sport boats and some performance cruisers like J-Boats, and you will need to quadruple your budget to get into that field.

I''ve seen stories about installing deck mounted sprites if you need to go that way, although a symmetrical spinnaker on a 30 footer isn''t very big and can be reasonably set up to singlehand. Maybe you should go though your list of criteria and break them into gotta-haves and nice-to-haves. If you list your gotta-haves, perhaps someone can tell you whether such a boat exists at any price.

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the time is now. =) Buying to a price point. =(

it was half in jest. BTW, I did look at the rest of the boats on the list. Most were well out of my price range, some I couldnt find a single one for sale, (Express 30) others looked like living aboard may be a bit... dificult, but some looked like they may work very nicely. (the S2, Tartan 30, Farr, Hunter, Palmer Johnson)

My only got to haves are a workable galley (even if it''s small. EG: I could deal with the one on the J) a place to shower BELOW DECKS, and of course, before all of that, a sound and seaworthy design, hull and rig. EVERYTHING else, is completley negotiable.

As for the spinnaker, While I know they suffer horribly in the performance realm to real racing spinnakers with poles and lots of lines and all that, I''ve found a cruising chute with a sock to be rather easy to manage, even one big enough to carry along a > 5 ton boat.) So I''m sure I can make something work.

I appologize if my previous post was less than obvious about being tounge in cheek. I did not expect to find the $20,000 J-160.

Thank you for your concern. Given the above specifications, and the conditions posted in my first post, what would you suggest?

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Actually, Jim, with some experience a symetrical chute is actually easier to handle shorthanded, is useful through a wider range of wind speeds and angles, and has less line involved. You can use a snuffer with either although I find that a snuffer really isn''t needed to singlehand a symetrical chute for a boat as large as a 38 foot fractional rigger.

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the time is now. =) Buying to a price point. =(

James,
Are you going to tow <em>Josie</em> as a tender?
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nah, Josie''s going to go away when I step up to a liveaboard.

I''ll not have a tender I cant beach

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