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Re: Boat shopping: round two

A Catalina 30 is worth a look. Will give you a lot of interior space and they sail pretty well.

A gas engine one like this should be inside your budget at 15k clicky

A diesel one goes for 20k+

I would not want to take one down into the Southern Ocean but lots have made it around the Caribbean.
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Re: Boat shopping: round two

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Thanks for the advice. I think I'm coming to a similar conclusion.
I guess one important caveat is that, while I am on this plan myself, I have zero experience in selling a boat like the one I have, in case I want to trade up or get out. You mentioned "minimizing the investment," but the language my wife and I used when deciding to do this was, "minimizing risk." We can afford to lose the small amount of money spent on the boat (less than $5k,) and we can afford to pay the slip fees for a long time if need be.

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I seem to be a sucker for older boats with classic lines.
I was looking at Bristols 27-29 and Alberg 30s (LOVE the Alberg 30) before I came upon our current boat, which was local, about half the price, and owned by a nice guy whom I trusted. So it was a good deal for us, but I STILL check out the ads for Bristols and A30s. Now those are beautiful boats.
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Re: Boat shopping: round two

I owned a Nonsuch26 and it had more room than many 30 ft'ers. Also the Nonsuch22 is trailerable and has standing headroom. There is a least one Nonsuch26 on the market that suffered a total loss in Katrina, I know it was my boat. Looks like a decent repair job was done, but I would not pay more than 12k for it.
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Re: Boat shopping: round two

You might also take a look at Pacechip 26s (PY26) They are relatively cheap (under 10K) are solidly built and have a ton of space below. Quite a few came with an inboard diesel. We had one for 12 years and Isingelhanded it quite regularly.

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Re: Boat shopping: round two

PY26.

Something like: PACESHIP PY26 Sailboat w/ Suzuki Sail 9.9
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Re: Boat shopping: round two

The Paceship looks good for your needs.

I too, love the classic looking boats, but the ones you're looking at are rather narrow in the beam. A 27' LOA, 8' beam boat is going to be cramped on those full-family outings, and may turn the family off quickly.

A 26-28 foot beamy boat, or a 30 footer with a moderate beam should be easily single-handed by you, and comfortably fill the requirement of the occasional, full-family outings.

I do have a spot in my heart for the Catalina 30, but it's quite beamy, displaces 10,200lbs and you might find it a chore to single-hand often. This would reduce the amount of use you get out of it, and we don't want that.

Also, the choice isn't "one or the other". Pearson 30's were designed as "cruiser/racers", or "family racers" if you will. They are comfy, reasonably equipped, and a spirited sail. Displaces 8800 lbs. The S2 8.6 would meet the same criteria, I think, and displaces 7600lbs.

The Tartan 30 is another great boat, but I think it begins to push your "easy single handing" criteria. The beam is in between the Cat 30 and P-30.

Any of these boats would comfortably sleep 4 for several days, 6 for a few days, and can be single handed without too much hassle. I just won a single-handed race in my Pearson 30, and I don't even have it optimized with all the lines run aft to the cockpit, or an auto pilot.

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Growing up...I was one of the "kids" mentioned in your scenario. Dad bought an O-Day 22. Mom dad & 4 kids. After the new wore off it was down to me and The Old Man. I loved it, but like you...job, fam & finance kept me out of the water. Now late 40s bought a '74 Mirage 24. Can fit 4-6 comfy. I'd try that. Like Chris said keep the boat in the water. You will be sailing 15-20 min after you get to the dock. Stepping the mast & rigging every time is no fun and your family will get tired watching you rig it at the ramp prior to the day out. I say start with a 22-24 in the water. If you find the family is into it you can move up.
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Re: Boat shopping: round two

I know of a nice C&C 34 for under 20k that's roomy, set up for single handing, nice PHRF racer, comfy cruiser. Fits a lot of needs.
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Re: Boat shopping: round two

The Sabre 28 will be in your price range and you might even find a Sabre 30 at the high end of you range.

Also as previously suggested, the Catalina 30 is one of the most popular designs out there with tons of them sold. As a Catalina owner I know they also have an active owners group which is a valuable resource.

Remember that condition is everything when buying a used boat so buy the best boat you find that fits your parameters. Its usually going to cheaper to pay a bit more for the pristine example than to bring a fixer-upper up to snuff.
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Re: Boat shopping: round two

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Remember that condition is everything when buying a used boat so buy the best boat you find that fits your parameters. Its usually going to cheaper to pay a bit more for the pristine example than to bring a fixer-upper up to snuff.
And there is the next question.

In looking at boats I'm finding that often I'm unsure about what I'm looking at. Is this item a 'fix-it-now' item, a 'keep-an-eye-on-it' item, or something purely cosmetic? I've read all of the boat inspection guides on the forums here. There are some obvious things. At the same time, I don't have a good basis for understanding how serious a certain problem is, or even if it is a problem at all.

As an aside, last night my sailing class started. Me, two other students, and an instructor on an old 23' Sea Sprite (SailMaine adult class out of Portland Yacht Services if anyone cares. ). We had a fine time, overcast with a light breeze 8kts or so; almost nobody on the water. The fog began rolling in, and by the time we made it back to the mooring the visibility couldn't have been more than 200yds or so. The condition of the boat highlights my questions. As I looked at it, it seemed very run down. The wooden combings, and cockpit seats were in pretty rough shape. The rigging, and deck hardware seemed fine. Sails looked pretty old, but they worked fine for us.

But it did highlight the question of pretty vs. functional to me.
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