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Re: Is a 44' too much?

Are you sure you didn't end up in Bedford, MA, and just think it was the Azores?
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Re: Is a 44' too much?

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5000+ miles in 2.5 weeks?
In a Catalina 27?
Singlehanded?
It looks more like 2000 miles to me.

That's still an average of over 4.5 knots. And no waves, for two and a half weeks plus the return? If there was wind, I would expect some waves.

Are you sure that was the Azores? ;-)

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Are you sure you didn't end up in Bedford, MA, and just think it was the Azores?
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Are you sure that was the Azores? ;-)
Sorry bljones - I didn't see your post before adding mine.

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Re: Is a 44' too much?

there was a catalina 27 round the world completed 1990..name my sweet lord.
what is problem--azores is nothing compared to that. a SAILOR can SAIL anything to anywhere and come back alive. even a catalina 27 or a bendy toy.....


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Re: Is a 44' too much?

No, I left from New Bedford, MA to St. Michaels. The trip there took 2 1/2 weeks, back was roughly the same but I had company that direction. And yes, obviously there were waves but nothing unmanageable. They got to maybe 4-5'. I've seen bigger waves on Long Island Sound and around Nantucket.
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Re: Is a 44' too much?

That must have been a cool trip. I hope to get some more offshore experience (I have mostly sailed in long island sound and block island sound) but I don't think any trips to the Azores are in my near future. Did you have a wind vane? auto helm?

Good luck with the new boat if you decide to get it. It doesn't seem like the Catalina has limited you too much though.

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Re: Is a 44' too much?

Justin, on a 27' boat if you make a mistake you can still usually fight back and overcome the boat. Something gets stuck you can unstuck it. On a 44' boat...things go the other way around. The boat will win every time there is an argument, unless you know how to outsmart it.

And while a 44' boat will comfortably ride out weather that has a 27 bucking around, again the 44 is going to need a lot more forethought to make it do what you want once it gets another idea in it's head. Little things like reefing the sail will be much harder if you get a late start.

So if you had outstanding weather to the Azores...a 44 won't be too big as long as the weather gods treat you just as kindly.

I'd be more afraid of the possible financial hole. When a boat falls off the stands, the impact travels around in all sorts of ways. Sometimes bulkheads shift and have to be retabbed. On some boats (like Sabre) you may literally have to unbuild the beautiful built-in cabinetry in order to access the hull and the bulkhead tabbing. Surprise! Sometimes tankage shifts or hoses pop. The propshaft, supports, rudder tube, could all have damage that is not obvious to the casual glance. If the insurer offered $200k for the boat--they probably thought it was a total write-off, and depending on their policies (percent of book value) it may need more than a mast and a patch on the hull.

IF you can find a replacement mast, and IF you don't mind having a patch on the hull, as opposed to having at least one entire side of it painted...You might have a bargain. Used masts are hard to find, and once they go longer than 48? 54? feet they become oversize freight and quite expensive to have shipped. Masts are often cut and sleeved (spliced) professionally in order to get them into conventional shipping. Of course, that usually means having the new mast installed at a yard, where they know how to do this. If the new mast isn't identical, many things can still work but that may mean more new hardware, more figuring, more rigging. And if the rigging is 20 years old, ALL the standing rigging and fittings are due for replacement, even without the shock of a fall.

I think you'd want to go over the boat very carefully with your friend, make up a detailed list of whatever the two of you see, and price it out in detail. Also figure in the cost of keeping it in his yard or elsewhere for a long time while you work on it. If the project seems attractive to you, either get the insurance survey that was done. or bring in a surveyor, to see what else you might have missed. If there are no surprises and the price is right, it could be a bargain.

I'd also think a fast thirty grand is not out of line, and that it could easily go into the 40's. If you've never done an engine installation and have the new one installed by a yard? Between that and the mast/rigging, you could probably consume the thirty grand right up front.

If the boat is worth, let's say $100k market value, your friend already got (200-15) 185k for it, so arguably he did all right. You might work up something along the lines of "I'll pay you $$ less the cost of the repairs I have to put in" with a list of what you expect, and an agreement that surprises will come out of the purchase price as well. That kinda protects everybody. Still, that's going to be a big job.
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Re: Is a 44' too much?

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I have a friend who owns a 1970's sailboat. It's a Cape Cod Shipbuilding Mercer 44'. The inboard diesel gave out last fall so he has had it dry in his yard awaiting a new engine. So anyways, on Memorial Day some drunk thought his yard was a road and hit the supports holding the boat up. It fell over and the mast got bent, a hole in the hull the size of a dinner plate as well as the sails getting trashed. Nothing else got damaged but his insurance company offered him $200,000. They let him keep it for $15,000. That's where I come in.
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why would they give him 200k if it can be fixed for 30k. does not make since even if they spent 100k to get it fixed why are they totaling it? there may be a bit more to the repair then you can see. will it be insurable after the repairs if done by you?

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Re: Is a 44' too much?

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5000+ miles in 2.5 weeks?
In a Catalina 27?
Singlehanded?
You're right - I didn't notice that.

Edit: He did say one way, but still - 15 days across, Eastward?

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Re: Is a 44' too much?

5000 miles, let's say statute instead of nautical.
Hull speed...optimistically six knots, seven statute mph?
714 hours?

Ooops, only 420 hours in 2.5 weeks.

Look what happened to Global Airlines Flight 33, as reported on the Twilight Zone.
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