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Re: Is a 44' too much?

I think that sounds prudent. I also think everyone REALLY wants to know more about your trip. Any pictures? Sea stories?

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Re: Is a 44' too much?

Going back to the original question

"Is a 44' too much? " No IMHO

I am 64 and single hand a Bombay 44 around the Eastern Caribbean. Would I sail it transatlantic? Yes.

The Mercer with it's ketch rig would be even easier to handle.
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Re: Is a 44' too much?

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T.... Between replacing the engine, replacing the mast and fixing the hole I think you are looking at at least 30K and a lot of hours....
Any one of those three items for a 44 would exceed the $30K...coine them and you are north of $100K.

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Re: Is a 44' too much?

When I built my first offshore boat, a 36, I had 500 sq ft of hull surface. Friends building 44 footers nearby had over 1,000 sq ft of hull surface, I had 5,000 lbs of ballast they had 10,000. I had 600 sq ft of sail, they has 1200, etc etc. Every expense they had was double what I had. Their increase in useable interior space was not all that great. I left for the South Pacific, they never left. Some never left the land.
A 44 footer is huge. Give it a miss , find a 36 footer, and go cruising.
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Any one of those three items for a 44 would exceed the $30K...coine them and you are north of $100K.
Sailingfool,

I disagree. If you are willing to do all the work yourself it can be done for 30K by doing a little shopping:

1. Purchase or completely rebuild a 4 cylinder diesel: $5k-15K
2. Purchase extrusion or used mast/use the existing standing rigging: $2-15K
3. Basic fiberglass repair and paint one side with Awlgrip - $1-2K

The big issue is the labor. I suspect there could be more involved than 2 months worth of full time work.
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When I built my first offshore boat, a 36, I had 500 sq ft of hull surface. Friends building 44 footers nearby had over 1,000 sq ft of hull surface, I had 5,000 lbs of ballast they had 10,000. I had 600 sq ft of sail, they has 1200, etc etc. Every expense they had was double what I had. Their increase in useable interior space was not all that great. I left for the South Pacific, they never left. Some never left the land.
A 44 footer is huge. Give it a miss , find a 36 footer, and go cruising.
Actually a Mercer 44 is not a large boat. It probably has less interior space than a modern 35 footer like a Catalina or Hunter. Its' a long, lean, head turning machine. When you sail it into a new harbor heads will turn. Can't say that for a modern boat. You don't buy this boat just for the interior. Although I'm not a big fan of centerboards for ocean crossings but I could make an exception with this design.
I agree with what you are saying about labor and cost but that only applies when you are comparing similar type designs.
I think it's sad to scrap this boat.
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Actually a Mercer 44 is not a large boat. It probably has less interior space than a modern 35 footer like a Catalina or Hunter. Its' a long, lean, head turning machine. When you sail it into a new harbor heads will turn. Can't say that for a modern boat. You don't buy this boat just for the interior. Although I'm not a big fan of centerboards for ocean crossings but I could make an exception with this design.
I agree with what you are saying about labor and cost but that only applies when you are comparing similar type designs.
I think it's sad to scrap this boat.
The Mercer 44 may be long and lean but its ballast alone is almost 2000 lbs heavier than the Catalina 27. Displacement 27,000 lbs, ballast 8,600 lbs, and a sail area of just under 900 sq. ft. Everything on the boat will be heavier - read more expensive - from sheets and halyards to rigging and so forth.

I also doubt that the only damage is what is visible when a 27,000 lb boat falls over. Especially after the insurance company writes a 200k check for it.

Sure is a pretty boat though - I have always liked Bill Tripp's designs.

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Re: Is a 44' too much?

She is a beautiful boat, but I'm afraid it isn't economical to get fixed. The hull is splitting and my friend is worried it will split more when it gets hoisted. He hasn't formally accepted the option to buy back the boat yet. He talked to CCSB and they have an interest in it so hopefully it will go there. I would love to have the boat but it's not in my cards to take on something that big.

I am going to make a new topic so I can figure out what boat to get now. My Cat 27 is a bit small so I want to move up a bit into a 30-something foot boat. The Cape Dory 30 has caught my eye but I'm sure it's too expensive.

As far as my Azores trip. It was so uneventful it was almost painful. It was just sunny and warm like August should be. Only 2 rainstorms. I snoozed on the bench next to the wheel. I read on my Kindle alot, listened to music, grilled alot on my Weber galley que. The auto pilot made it easy. I just had to deal with the pesky sails I know little about. I ran into one boat the whole time I was out of sight of shore. They said hi on the VHF.
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Re: Is a 44' too much?

After Katrina our Irwin 54' was toteled by the insurance company... The guy who bought it back figured it just needed a new bobstay, a new shaft, and a paint job.... So far four different owners have spent a total of twice what the boat was worth before the storm, and just have to rebuild the cabinetry inside to finish the repairs.

Be very careful of these types of deals, they can be huge windfalls, but are also huge risks if you don't know exacally what is wrong, how to repair it, AND are capable of walking away from the loss if the damage is more than expected. Like any other high risk, high reward, it's only worth it if you can afford the loss.
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Re: Is a 44' too much?

Stop giving a rat's ass what others think of your boat and you will save yourself a fortune ,and get more time using the boat for what it is for, cruising.
Don't let pretentiousness tell you what to like, and become a slave to.

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