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Alan Payne Koonya

As you all know I am living in the UAE. My girlfriend and I will be touring Malaysia and Thailand for 5 weeks in August and September. I thought I would check out some boats while traveling and came across this one. I know very little about steel boats and less on this design other than what I read on the net. I have a few questions.
There is no holding tank on this boat, when I leave here in about 2 years I want to sail out with the boat. I will need a holding tank eventually so is it feasible to add one later? Also the engine has 7700 hours on it however to me for a boat this size should it be re engined for a larger power plant or should I just consider an overhaul?
If I do get serious I will get it properly surveyed and sail it from where it is to Abu Dhabi with a crew. Your inputs will be much appreciated.

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Re: Alan Payne Koonya

7700 hours is quite a lot - but on the plus side you probably know the reading is more or less accurate.. if a repower is in the budget that may bring the most peace of mind. Was the 3GM30 made in 1979? Not sure.

Interesting boat.. the apparent lack of volume in the ends, coupled with the already 'cluttered' look below leads me to wonder if there would, indeed, be any available space for a holding tank of any practical volume.

If the pictures are recent, she looks well cared for.. the engine "looks" better than a lot of lower hour examples.

Lots of gear there too - even a Blooper!
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Re: Alan Payne Koonya

I have never seen a vane steering autopilot device like that. What kind is it? Not sure if it lkooks robust.

Topside look in cosmetically good condition. I also question the room for holding tank, but you could always go with a vetus bladder type to make it legal within the 3 mile limit.


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Re: Alan Payne Koonya

She looks very well cared for and has all the gear for extended blue water travel Jerry. Finding space for the tank might be difficult the way she's configured, the Vetus like Chef suggested might be the only option. It would be important to be able to access all areas of the hull in order to inspect for corrosion of course. The boat has a lot of character, looks good.
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Re: Alan Payne Koonya

Thanks for the input guys. I will contact the seller to set up and appointment if and when the time comes around for me to go. I defiantly will not be in a rush for sure. The boat does look like it has some character that is worth some points however a good survey will be in order.
The cockpit is not overly large and that is a good thing. Also from the pictures there does not appear to be too many hand hold or places to brace yourself when the weather acts up. I will keep you all posted.

BTW, Faster, I have to ask what a blooper is? In my day a blooper was a M79 grenade launcher.
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Re: Alan Payne Koonya

You might pm Brent Swain. He is a steel boat designer / builder.

I noticed that the electrical system 240 volt. If you are bringing it home, you might want see what needs to be changed.

A blooper is a sail used with a spinnaker - the blue and white one.

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Re: Alan Payne Koonya

Jerry,
You should know who Alan Payne is by now, if not he is (or was) a very well respected Oz designer. He even did a couple of 12m AC boats.
Most Koonya were built to order so quality and finish varies enormously. They were an extremely popular boat in their day but compared to modern boats they are slow but do quite nicely once the sheets are eased a tadge. Quite a few were Sydney - Hobart boats in the old days.
Definitely rate as a small 38'er. I doubt they have as much interior space as our old Van de Stadt 34 and the VDS is I'd reckon a more comfortable boat overall though the VDS galley is smaller and forward cabin arrangement v-berth not pullman.
From memory the cockpit seats are really narrow but its been a long time since I was last on one. I have no idea where you would put it but fitting a holding tank should not be a major trauma.
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Re: Alan Payne Koonya

Hi all,

Please bear with me as I know I'm responding to an old post.

I'm Matt, a new member and an Australian living in Bali and looking to purchase an inexpensive yacht. i want to begin learning more about boat handling and sailing while I'm living in Bali with a view to one day undertaking some extended offshore cruising. I've been reading on your forum for a while now but this is my first post.

While looking for yachts I came across the exact same vessel which Jerry posted about back in 2013 (the blue steel Alan Payne 38' Koonya). I'm keen to get in contact with Jerry to chat about the boat but cannot email him as I have less than 20 posts.

Are any of you aware if Jerry purchased the vessel, if not, why not, and did he find any problems with it which caused him to look else where? Did he have the vessel surveyed? Any other information which any of you may have on the vessel and Jerry's interest back in 2013 would be a great help to me.

Thanks very much

Matt


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As you all know I am living in the UAE. My girlfriend and I will be touring Malaysia and Thailand for 5 weeks in August and September. I thought I would check out some boats while traveling and came across this one. I know very little about steel boats and less on this design other than what I read on the net. I have a few questions.
There is no holding tank on this boat, when I leave here in about 2 years I want to sail out with the boat. I will need a holding tank eventually so is it feasible to add one later? Also the engine has 7700 hours on it however to me for a boat this size should it be re engined for a larger power plant or should I just consider an overhaul?
If I do get serious I will get it properly surveyed and sail it from where it is to Abu Dhabi with a crew. Your inputs will be much appreciated.

Thanks

Jerry

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Re: Alan Payne Koonya

Matt,
Not certain if JL bought the thing though I suspect not. Jerry is a regular visitor here so he is likely to see your post. He last checked in only a couple of days back.

ps - Do enjoy yourself here. There is much to read and much to learn.

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Hi all,

Please bear with me as I know I'm responding to an old post.

I'm Matt, a new member and an Australian living in Bali and looking to purchase an inexpensive yacht. i want to begin learning more about boat handling and sailing while I'm living in Bali with a view to one day undertaking some extended offshore cruising. I've been reading on your forum for a while now but this is my first post.

While looking for yachts I came across the exact same vessel which Jerry posted about back in 2013 (the blue steel Alan Payne 38' Koonya). I'm keen to get in contact with Jerry to chat about the boat but cannot email him as I have less than 20 posts.

Are any of you aware if Jerry purchased the vessel, if not, why not, and did he find any problems with it which caused him to look else where? Did he have the vessel surveyed? Any other information which any of you may have on the vessel and Jerry's interest back in 2013 would be a great help to me.

Thanks very much

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Re: Alan Payne Koonya

Hello Matt, sorry for the late Short answer to your question is no, I did not even look at it. However I did look at a great boat recently with Aeventer60. In Langkawi I looked at a Valiant37 Great boat however the owner the last 4 years used it a a livaboard. Not even sailable now and lots of work to be done to get it into the serious cruiser stage let alone blue water. Anyway after lots of thinking about it I shied away from the Koonya frankly because I was daunted by all the maintenance I kept hearing steel boats needed. As far as I know the boat is still available.

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