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Re: Solid/Bluewater Center Cockpit with modern interior?

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Re: Solid/Bluewater Center Cockpit with modern interior?

CCR, if you can get away, you might consider the Miami Boat Show next month. We made the Annapolis and Chicago shows and if a picture tells a thousand words, walking the boats, talking to the reps and being able to compare them almost side by side, tells a million words. They might not have what you are looking for but you'll get a great feel for what's out there and you may even find yourself moving a bit on your position.

When I read your first post I immediately thought a slightly used Swan but to get the center cockpit I think you'd have to go back enough years where you'd lose the modern look. I've been looking for classic looks so there may be some more recent Swans that have the CC.

At Annapolis we got message the bulk of today's buyers want the European look. They also want party cockpits and boats that don't require a lot of sailing knowledge (joystick controls comes to mind). The oohs and aahs we heard were mostly for boats like the Beneteau Sense, a boat, that when we boarded her, made me think, "Party Central!!!", but would probably spend most of its life at the dock.

We were disappointed Swan, Hinkley, Shannon (except that ugly 53) and a few other premier makers weren't there. But Oyster had a couple, HR & Sabre each had one, and a few others that make my heart pitter-patter.

But center cockpits were hard to find. The only one that comes to mind is the Island Packet 465. And if you're not hell-bent on speed, that may be a boat to look at.

Good luck!

BTW, I got a chance to spend some time with Bob Johnson (IP designer) at the Chicago show. He was very approachable and seems like the kind of guy you can call and he'll actually talk to you. I'm not an IP fan but after our time together I have become a Bob Johnson fan.
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Re: Solid/Bluewater Center Cockpit with modern interior?

I visited the Southerly factory (which is near Chichester in the UK) and stood in the latest, part-built 420 (I think hull no. 6) -- very much worth a closer look. It is a great looking boat, built with superb quality and craftsmanship, and is very well laid out: deck saloon, huge aft cabin, walk in engine room, etc., etc., etc..

I have chartered an aft cockpit Southerly 42RST a couple of times, which is a similar design: they sail very well with a deep swing keel and careful weight distribution and are especially well set up for short-handed crew: fractional rig, self-tacking jib, electric winch for lines run to the cockpit, etc.

The 420 is quite an expensive design (more so than the 42RST); its front saloon windows are bespoke (custom) made with a complex curves, which to me is a rather excessive, fussy detail, but the overall result is good, aesthetically.

A 420 (that hull) will be on display at the 2014 Southampton boat show. (And I plan to visit).

Unfortunately, I could not justify the price tag... just yet.

Happy hunting!
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Re: Solid/Bluewater Center Cockpit with modern interior?

Originally Posted by ColdCutterRig View Post
Is anyone familiar with Southerly? Their new 420 looks quite nice. A swing keel was not on my wish list but I've got to admit it makes the kind of exploring I'd eventually want to do more of a possibility.

I also recently saw a writeup on Gunfleet - a new company started by one of the people from Oyster, I believe. Their 43 looks amazing but I've heard it's pricey, like nearly $1 million US for sailaway.
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