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Solid/Bluewater Center Cockpit with modern interior?

Hi Folks,

Long time lurker, first time poster with a question that may rankle.

After over a decade of daysailing and doing short weekend cruises to nearby locations - CA Channel Islands mostly - on our Newport 30 MkII, we've decided to step things up with a larger boat that can handle guests comfortably and has the potential to make long passages in the relatively near future. I'm about four years away from an early retirement and would love to grow into a larger boat so that we can hit the ground (sea) running when I'm no longer office bound.

We've decided on a CC (and please, no arguments of CC vs. AC or recommendations of boats that are not CC monohulls) in the 41-46 foot range. One requirement is that the boat have decent passage berths - an attribute that is strangely hard to find. Another, and this is something that both the SO and I agree on, is a modern, sleek interior.

Contrary to prevailing taste, we tend to like the "european apartment style" look employed by Dehler and Hanse and have absolutely no issue if some of the interior work is done by machine. Unfortunately, the hull forms, relatively light displacement and cockpit orientation of these brands don't work for us. If we're going bluewater cruising, I'd prefer not to have a giant aft cockpit with dual wheels and a boat that bobs like a cork in a swell.

Can anyone recommend a CC boat in this size range that offers such an interior? This is an "all things being equal" type of question. It goes without saying that the boat needs to be seakindly and beefy. I'd prefer a sharper bow entry as opposed to the flatter bottoms we're seeing these days. It'd also be great to have the option for a cutter/dual headsail rig.

While I know that boats like Hylas are semi-custom, does that extend to the look/design of the interior fit out? Everything I see on the websites of makers like Hylas, Passport and even HR looks a bit too old fashioned for our tastes.

Also, both cost and sheer size come into play here. We'd like to keep the price below seven figures if possible and the size under 46. As someone who grew up sailing of and on, I'm stunned at how large cruising yachts have gotten. I'm neither a pauper nor an ocean racer but the fact that Hylas' smallest model is a 46 is pretty intimidating.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: Solid/Bluewater Center Cockpit with modern interior?

Hey CCR! Just so happens that we are looking at similar requirements but I'd assume a different price range. I love the look of CC but have so far haven't actually done a passage on one.

I'm looking at a Kelly Peterson 44 or Adams 12/13 (in the CC configuration) at the moment. Looked at a few Hylas but out of my price range and a little too beamy for my liking.
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Re: Solid/Bluewater Center Cockpit with modern interior?

CCR,

In your price range there are an incredible number of options. To be honest at the price range you are considering I would seriously recommend moving up in size to a larger boat. The difference in livability is significant, and I can tell you from personal experience going larger is not really that much more difficult if the boat is rigged properly. Past around 40' nothing can be manipulated by hand anyway. But a larger boat will be more sea kindly, make faster passages, and be easier to live on full time.

If you would consider a larger boat my recomendations would be a 54' Irwin Cutter (I lived aboard on on and off for 10 years), if you can find one a Deerfoot 61 CC,


If you are set on 46' max, then you still have a huge variety of options. In your price range, you could go with a new semi-custom, Oyster, Hinkley, ect... I can't say there aren't any, but even the best of the best would likely be under $1,000,000. In this price range you could also have a custom boat built to your specs. Figure about a year and a half for design plus construction.
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Re: Solid/Bluewater Center Cockpit with modern interior?

Don't know where you are living (or shopping), but there is a very nice KP 44 coming onto the market in San Diego soon. I know the couple that completed a cruise to central America on it and have returned to being "dirt people" as another retired cruiser puts it.
PM me for contact info if interested.
I did a long delivery on that boat and can testify that it has a smooth and comfy motion in big seas.

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Re: Solid/Bluewater Center Cockpit with modern interior?

Hi Olson,

Is that this one?

1978 Kelly Peterson Center cockpit Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

Unfortunately I can't private message you because I'm a new member.

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Re: Solid/Bluewater Center Cockpit with modern interior?

I am guessing if coldcutterrig is talking Hylas, and a modern interior then KP44's are probably out.

Welcome to Sailnet to both of you

For a modern bluewater Centre Cockpit have a look at the aussie made MCY 46 built by Martz Cruising Yachts.

My yacht is a 35ft 20 year old Centre Cockpit Martz and I am very happy with it.

Being a niche builder, they are very open to owner input.








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Re: Solid/Bluewater Center Cockpit with modern interior?

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We've decided on a CC (and please, no arguments of CC vs. AC or recommendations of boats that are not CC monohulls) in the 41-46 foot range. One requirement is that the boat have decent passage berths - an attribute that is strangely hard to find. Another, and this is something that both the SO and I agree on, is a modern, sleek interior.
Somewhat to my surprise I bought a CC boat. I fully expected to purchase an AC but my other requirements drove me to a CC and now I could not be happier.

If you expect to spend any time in slips (US terminology) I fully agree with your size range (mine was 38' - 43'). The price goes up and importantly the availability goes down. If there is nowhere you fit available it doesn't make any difference how much the slip costs.

That said I think the requirement for "decent passage berths" is overstated. On my HR 40 I chose a pair of armchairs to port in lieu of the standard settee. Many of my acquaintances insisted I was making a huge mistake. Now they come aboard and make a beeline for the chairs; I make them sit on the settee. *grin*

Seriously, with a crew of four (including me) we have no issues offshore. There is a settee to starboard with a lee cloth, a nice space on the floor between the chairs and the table (I have a roll-up pad for that spot), the walkthrough by the engine (another pad), and the aft centre queen with lee cloths. In calm weather the v-berth is lovely. The key to making that work is heads at the base of the companionway so people aren't stepping over each other. Heads in that location also reduces dragging water aboard when things get sporting.

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[B]Contrary to prevailing taste, we tend to like the "european apartment style" look employed by Dehler and Hanse
I looked at the Hanse 445. My interpretation of your desires is light woods and lots of white. Simple, elegant fixtures. Is that correct? I think my taste is more classic than yours, but I still selected a very light fabric for the furniture on Auspicious. That means mahogany over a dark cream color instead of white over something darker. The mahogany is certainly a bit darker than the much lighter colors Hanse tends to use for woodwork.

If you're going to buy new I'd look at the HR43 and get a broker to get a set of the fabric choices and see if some choice really speaks to you.

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Can anyone recommend a CC boat in this size range that offers such an interior? This is an "all things being equal" type of question. It goes without saying that the boat needs to be seakindly and beefy. I'd prefer a sharper bow entry as opposed to the flatter bottoms we're seeing these days. It'd also be great to have the option for a cutter/dual headsail rig.
Agreed. Don't give up on the cutter, particularly with a removable inner forestay. Outstanding flexibility inshore and offshore.

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Also, both cost and sheer size come into play here. We'd like to keep the price below seven figures if possible and the size under 46.
Right. I had the same problem. Swan, Oyster, Hylas, Moody - so many builders simply didn't make anything small enough.
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Re: Solid/Bluewater Center Cockpit with modern interior?

Najad makes a whole range of center cockpit boats under 46 feet, if memory serves. These are very well built, blue water capable boats. This video will give you an idea of how a 44 cc looks below (no, I don't sell Najads).


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Re: Solid/Bluewater Center Cockpit with modern interior?

Besides Najad and Halberg Rassy some other options:

C 1250 - C-Yacht Zeiljachten

Southerly 420

Oyster Yachts | Fleet | 46 | Overview

Sunbeam 42 - Innenraum

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Malö 43
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Re: Solid/Bluewater Center Cockpit with modern interior?

Some more:

Rustler 42

Nordship Yachts Denmark - Forside

http://en.delphiayachts.eu/yacht/delphia-46cc

There are more, specially on the North of Europe but I am getting old and the names slip my mind
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