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blistovmhz 07-16-2012 02:08 PM

S2 9.2c - for liveaboard - thoughts?
 
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So I went to see an S2 9.2c yesterday (as well as a few others that I didn't trust). It seemed to be in excellent condition. Everything was clean, rigging tight, no corrosion (with one exception I'll list), interior is clean (walls carpeted which worries me a little, but there were no signs of water intrusion).

1. The steering wheel mount (under/behind the aft cabin berth) was corroded a bit. Didn't look structural, but what do I know? The ground cable looked like it had failed so I suspect it was caused by a weak ground. Again, didn't look structural, but I don't really know these things.
2. The bilge on the 9.2c is directly under the motor, several feet down. There is no other access. The bilge pump is mounted on a stick and was sneakily fed down through any openings between the motor and bilge. I thought I saw a rag at the bottom, but it's a long way down. I didn't want to reach in (who knows what lives down there). After looking through the rest of the boat, I was very surprised at this poor access.
3. No holding tank installed. The (suspiciously new) electric head and macerator pump overboard. Easy to fix, but I'm not sure why there's no holding tank on such a nice boat, especially one moored near Vancouver. Pumping overboard is illegal nearly everywhere here. I have to assume there was a holding tank that was removed, but the owner said there was not.

This is really my only concern. When something is brand new or missing, I just want to know why. The Morgan OI 41 I checked out was missing fuel tanks. I'm confident this is because they were outfitted with steel tanks from factory, and just corroded out, but the owner dodged the question repeatedly so I have to assume he's hiding something. Not sure if the same suspicion is warranted on this S2.

Sails are all relatively new. Given the demeanour/personality of the owner, the boat is probably very well kept. He says he's selling because his wife and him are moving aboard a bigger boat (already purchased).

The 9.2c is extremely well laid out (it's 30x10' are twice the size of the 37x10 of the columbia), but this also means the designer didn't leave any nook or cranny unused. There is about zero room for additional gear aside from a 2.5'x3' locker in the aft cabin (currently holds a water heater that is not in service). Everything else is very well accounted for.

The only other thing that worried me was that the flooring had all been redone, and I believe it was because the compression post had sunk. From factory, the compression post is held up by a 2x4 ($%&^$&*). The owner ripped it out and beefed it up substantially, but should I be worried about what may have happened to the deck if that compression post had sunk an inch before he caught it?

Thoughts on this $26k boat? (for liveaboard)

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Accommodations:
- Double V-Berth, forward and roomy, original upholstery in good condition
- Main Salon, has two comfortable settees with original upholstery in good condition, Cole woodstove and over 6’+ of generous headroom
- Galley, with stainless steel gimballed 2 burner propane stove and oven, pressurized cold water, plumbed for pressurized hot water, electric ice box
- Head, 3 piece with a sits shower, new electric head installed 2010
- Aft Cabin, spacious! with 6’ headroom, double berth, original upholstery
Equipment:
- CD/AM/FM Stereo, Oceanus DSC B 25 Watt VHF/FM marine transceiver, depth meter
- Electrical System, 110-115 volt AC (30 amp shore power), 50 power cord, 25 power cord, battery charger, 12 Volt DC (2 Deep Cell 6v marine batteries) 12 volt starter battery, New 60 amp alternator
Deck Equipment:
- New Mainsail cover 2012, New winch covers 2011, dodger in good condition
- Anchors; Bruce 20’ chain, Kingston quick set 25‘chain 200’ rode
- New Burgee halyard 2011, rail mounted propane BBQ, swim ladder mounted on stern
Sails and Rigging:
- New Mainsail 2012, 100% working Jib VG condition, 140% Genoa Excellent condition, Gennaker good condition with spinnaker pole, Harken windward sheeting system upgrade 2009, all lines lead to cockpit for easy single handed sailing!
Additional Equipment:
Everything goes with the boat!
- Dock lines, fenders, fire extinguishers, brass clock and barometer, New propane tank and cover, 10’ Endurance RIB tender (dingy)
Upgrades:
- New Starting battery 2012, New flooring installed throughout in 2011, Topside painted 2011, all deck hardware rebedded 2011, brightwork refinished 2011 – ( yearly), New Dyneema Lifelines 2011, New Beckson Rain Drain Port Lights 2008, hull painted 2005, zincs replaced 2010, mast/keel step upgraded with oak laminated with epoxy, stronger than factory 2010
This sailboat is ready to cruise!
Private moorage is available in Squamish!
Length: 30’, Beam 10’.3”, Draft 4’.11”
Year: 1980
Type: Cruiser, Hull: Fiberglass
Engine: 3109 hours, 2qm Yanmar Diesel Inboard, raw water intake, moored in freshwater since 1997

cupper3 07-16-2012 02:45 PM

Re: S2 9.2c - for liveaboard - thoughts?
 
This model S2 is on my short list, and it looks like you found a good one.

Is that storage rack it rests on custom made? The pad supports do not look moveable, and if not custom, are the pads resting on bulkheads?

The mousefur looks in amazing condition. One thing your going have to contend with as a liveaboard, especially if your staying in the same area, is condensation. Why would it be worse? Cooking has an enormous impact, and the BC conditions especially in winter will cause higher condensation.

But for that comment, get the thing surveyed. It looks like the real deal.

kd3pc 07-16-2012 02:47 PM

Re: S2 9.2c - for liveaboard - thoughts?
 
IMHO a bit overpriced (early to mid 80's in the mid atlantic $14-20K) for a boat this age needing at a minimum some toilet work, but I did not see the actual boat, YMMV

I (just me) lived aboard a cal 25, then a cal 29 for a couple of years early on, that being said the S2 is laid out quite well for you, if you have a SO, though...may get a bit crowded at times, unless you are quite used to each other and small space living.

I would want to know more about the "why" of holding tank gone, flooring redone, compression post repair (who, what and why?), water heater not in "service", etc

Survey?

blistovmhz 07-16-2012 02:59 PM

Re: S2 9.2c - for liveaboard - thoughts?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cupper3 (Post 897046)
This model S2 is on my short list, and it looks like you found a good one.

Is that storage rack it rests on custom made? The pad supports do not look moveable, and if not custom, are the pads resting on bulkheads?

The mousefur looks in amazing condition. One thing your going have to contend with as a liveaboard, especially if your staying in the same area, is condensation. Why would it be worse? Cooking has an enormous impact, and the BC conditions especially in winter will cause higher condensation.

But for that comment, get the thing surveyed. It looks like the real deal.

Not sure which storage racks you're speaking of. From what I've seen of other S2 (pictures only) this looks mostly stock layout, with added "mousefur?". We went to see it right after it had rained pretty heavily. I brought up the issue of the bilge because (forgot to mention) there was a bit of water under the floor, forward of the compression post. The bilge doesn't seem to get deep till pretty near the engine room. I was a little concerned that the water hadn't drained into the bilge. The water was fresh, and the owner had mentioned that he'd spilled some fresh water while installing new hoses on the fresh water tank in the v-berth. Just not sure why the water hadn't made it to the bilge.


Quote:

Originally Posted by kd3pc (Post 897050)
IMHO a bit overpriced (early to mid 80's in the mid atlantic $14-20K) for a boat this age needing at a minimum some toilet work, but I did not see the actual boat, YMMV

I (just me) lived aboard a cal 25, then a cal 29 for a couple of years early on, that being said the S2 is laid out quite well for you, if you have a SO, though...may get a bit crowded at times, unless you are quite used to each other and small space living.

I would want to know more about the "why" of holding tank gone, flooring redone, compression post repair (who, what and why?), water heater not in "service", etc

Survey?

I did ask about all of those things. Water heater died years back (sprung a leak from the rad) and they just never needed it. All the connections are still there, but have bypassed the heater.
The holding tank.. I've no idea. I don't know if they were installed stock or not. I can't think of anywhere for them to go. The thru-hulls for the head seem to be stock. I saw no evidence of any work being done on them. If there was, it was very good work.
The compression post I asked about, but didn't think to press it. The owner said that the original support (2x4) was just old and had started to bow down. He brought in some house jacks to support the mast, ripped out the entire sub-floor and rebuilt it all after installing a heavier duty support. The whole place is carpeted now (I don't approve technically, but it sure is comfy) so I didn't tear up everything. The floor is made of epoxy drowned solid oak. The head-liner between the mast and compression post was not removeable so I couldn't check for stress cracks inside. Outside though everything looks tip top. No evidence of any work around the mast base unless the entire deck was repainted.

cupper3 07-16-2012 03:32 PM

Re: S2 9.2c - for liveaboard - thoughts?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by blistovmhz (Post 897054)
Not sure which storage racks you're speaking of.

I was referring to the rack it is resting on when it was on the hard. It also looks like there is a circular repair patch on the keel, although that may just be the camera.

blistovmhz 07-16-2012 03:38 PM

Re: S2 9.2c - for liveaboard - thoughts?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cupper3 (Post 897060)
I was referring to the rack it is resting on when it was on the hard. It also looks like there is a circular repair patch on the keel, although that may just be the camera.

I didn't even notice that. Thought it was lense flare or something on my screen. Will ask about it ;) thanks.

as for the rack, no idea. It's probably owned by the yacht club. They have a lot of similar size boats.

sea_hunter 07-16-2012 10:44 PM

Decent boat, go for it.

RobGallagher 07-16-2012 11:08 PM

Re: S2 9.2c - for liveaboard - thoughts?
 
Survey and have the engine looked at by a mechanic.

One thing I wished I had done was have my engine looked over with a fine tooth comb by a someone who specializes in that engine. Not that he would have found anything that would have effected the price, but, the laundry list of little things that are coming up could have all been attended to without me discovering them one at a time.

Cruiser2B 07-17-2012 12:14 AM

Re: S2 9.2c - for liveaboard - thoughts?
 
I was on one about a year ago, seemed like alot of room! I plan on living on an Alberg 30 so that S2 is a mansion in comparison...I say go for it!


the less stuff you have...the less stuff you have to worry about!

hellosailor 07-17-2012 11:55 AM

Re: S2 9.2c - for liveaboard - thoughts?
 
The S2 is a nice boat under sail, too. Deck stepped mast, center cockpit, perhaps not ideal for ocean crossings but I don't think that's an issue here. it looks to be in good condition and decks can flex without damage, but you need a professional opinion as to whether there was or is damage, and whether the new paint and flooring hides anything.

The one I was on didn't have the Jacuzzi, so perhaps in those golden days the factory offered a Jacuzzi or a holding tank, your choice, only room for one or the other, and you know how that goes.

I'm not a fan of carpet (holds moisture) on a boat, but as long as it is in good shape, I'd say ignore it because pulling it all off and scrubbing the glue off and refinishing all the surfaces, ugh, days of dusty work.

You like the boat, it looks clean, argue about price, give the man a deposit, and get a survey. The price might be high but "condition condition condition" if the boat really is solid and sail-away ready...That's hard to find too.


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