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My husband and I are looking into buying a sailboat. I grew up sailing, but it has been awhile, so we are probably going to take a refresher course! We are highly considering purchasing a C22. We found one in our area for $4500. It is a 1978 or 1979 Catalina 22. The seller bought it from a lady whose husband was in the process of restoring the boat. He was almost done but then passed away. The boat has:

Main w/ New Mack Pack (Sunbrella material one year old)
Integral Sail cover and lazy jacks
I will throw in a small propane grill
Folding table which turns into a berth
New Sunbrella Bimini
Compass
Battery
Depth Sounder
Life Jackets
Mercury 5hp
New Anchor
VHF Radio (water resistant/float able hand held - less than one year old)
New Halyard lines (less than a year old) from Catalina Direct
New rigging lines (less than a year old) from Catalina Direct
New Backstay line still in a sealed bag from Catalina Direct
Trailer - custom made with an extended adjustable tongue
The Keel is just over a year old, so it's almost new and in great shape!

Sounds good...but I am wondering about the "new keel." It is a swing keel, but I haven't heard of keels being replaced...Perhaps he meant swing keel cables, etc? We go to look at it tomorrow. Can anyone give me some ideas of things I should look for/questions to ask? The seller seemed very up front with us. He said there is a soft spot but he would be fixing it. Any suggestions/advice is greatly appreciated!
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Re: Possibly buying Catalina 22...have some questions

Go to www.catalin22.org and check there. They are a very active org and with some searching you will find everything you can imagine about C22's. A fine boat by the way with lots of them out there.
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Re: Possibly buying Catalina 22...have some questions

4500 seems a little steep (in this market anyway) for a 70's Catalina 22. I would want to be sure the trailer can be registered and is in good shape/safe.

If the boat and trailer is in good shape I would not be afraid to negotiate the price.

From what I understand, most boats, unless they are a steal to begin with, sell from 80% to as low as 50% of asking price.

I just purchased a boat. Asking price was 37K. I offered much less and was turned down the first time around. Revisited the same boat a couple of months later and my initial offer was accepted on the spot.
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Re: Possibly buying Catalina 22...have some questions

Hey,

It all depends on the condition of the boat. If it's clean and smells good and the trailer is in good condition and the headsail is on a furler and in good shape then it's a good buy. If not, then it isn't.

I had a Catalina 22 for a year. It was a nice boat and I liked it. I got totally hooked on sailing from that boat.

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Re: Possibly buying Catalina 22...have some questions

Thanks for the responses. The trailer is custom made and in good shape. Boat looks great. Just wondering about the soft spot and replaced keel.
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Re: Possibly buying Catalina 22...have some questions

Keep in mind, these listers are probably paying a broker and will still most likely be negotiable on the price.

1987 Catalina 22 Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

1978 Catalina 22 Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi..._id=76097&url=
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Re: Possibly buying Catalina 22...have some questions

Seems a bit pricey. It sounds as if the current owner has put some money into it lately and is trying to recoup some. Iron swing keels can get pretty nasty if the boat is left in seawater without being properly maintained. If that's the case here, then the boat has just been brought back to the condition it should have been with proper maintenance, maybe a tad better. The same goes for the running and standing rigging replacements.

The rest of the equipment list sounds pretty standard for a Cat22, with a couple of exceptions. Lazy-jacks are usually more trouble than they're worth on a boat this size. I would rate the system he appears to have just installed as an expensive mistake, rather than a selling point. As for the trailer, IF it is galvanized and fairly new (or in almost new shape), then I would rate that as a definite plus. A new galvanized trailer isn't cheap (all sailboat trailers are "custom" to some extent). Look at the springs closely, as they are usually the first thing to rust. If you find a significant amount of rust (or painted-over rust) anywhere, then plus just turned into a wash, maybe even a minus. However, if you plan to use a hoist to launch, rather than a boat ramp, then even a crappy old "yard trailer" will last many years.
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Re: Possibly buying Catalina 22...have some questions

I had the UK version and did some serious cruising in it. Nice little boat. The keel pivot is a known weakness.

Ask about the sails Mine came with three headsails and a spinnaker. Look for chafed or broken stitching. The cloth should feel a little stiff.

I agree that roller furling would be nice.
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Re: Possibly buying Catalina 22...have some questions

I agree, in today's market, price is high for that age boat. if it was 10 years newer, maybe.
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