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If your purchase contract stimpulates that the sale is contingent on a survey and that the survey demonstrates the boat is fundamentlally in the condition it has been represented, and if that''s not true, then you can simply request your deposit be refunded.

The legal stuff aside, you would not be buying a boat but rather a ''project'', and one of the main attractions you originally had to the boat - a good financial decision - just went out the window along with the keel crack.

You don''t need to justify your decision to the broker or ''satisfy'' him about your logic; simply saying ''no thanks'' is sufficient. But if you choose, you can point out that the next survey - when it''s time for you to sell the boat - may produce a similar blemished report (i.e. a hull repair was required)...and why would you knowingly purchase that grief?

Sorry to hear about the surprise, but aren''t you glad you had her surveyed!?

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I am sorry to hear that you ran into problems with the survey. I was delighted to read your excitement about the deal progressing. I know how heart breaking it can be to think you have the ''perfect boat'' only to find it rift with problems.

As to the problems, I can''t recall if the Cape Dory 30 has a bolt on or an encapsulated keel. If this is an encapsulated keel, then I would run and not walk the other direction, because once the encapsulation had delaminated from the ballast, and the encapsulation envelope has been breeched, there is no practical repair that will return this boat to a "like new" condition because there is no way to get the moisture out of the keel cavity and re-adhere the ballast to the shell. (I am not sure that the CD30 had lead ballast as I seem to recall that some of the CD''s had iron ballast. If the CD30 has encapsulated iron ballast, that makes the situation far worse and harder to repair.)

If this is simply a bolt-on keel the repairs are somewhat easier, although there are some potentially negative implications to those as well. It is actually pretty easy to unbolt a keel and rebed it properly. If the CD30 does have a lead keel, then the weeping would suggest corrosion of the keel bolts and a keel bolt replacement is a very big job.

When you combine the keel issues with the deck core issues, this is a major project boat. You have every reason to request your deposit back because this by any reasonable definition this is a boat that failed its survey with concealed conditions that you could not have known about prior to making your offer. The kinds of problems that this boat has are severe enough that $10-12K will not result in a seamless repair and so simply getting a $10-12K discount would not make you whole. This is clearly a boat that has had a hard life and frankly it makes no sense for you to take on the problems of the current owner. I strongly suggest that you demand your deposit back and look for a decent boat.

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In case you still have any doubts about bailing on this purchase:
- a rule of thumb about estimates of major repairs is that if a yard writes a detail estimate of work, assume the final cost will be up to double the estimate due to surprises and unexpected complications. While this isn''t alweays true, from personal experience it is more common than not, and this assumption gives you a better base for no-regrets decisions.
- if deck repairs need to be done, you can expect a good structural repair, but it'' very hard to produce a result that hides the repair, unless the deck is stripped of hardware, non-skid areas masked, awlgripped, and then the non-skid painted. The cosmetic work will be several times the cost of the core repair itself.
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I very much appreciate the input from all of you. I wanted to make sure that I wasn''t being unreasonable here. I now understand that I could walk away legally on the strength of the survey, but it''s nice to have a bit of insight as to what the surveyor was talking about. It gives me some confidence in my conviction.
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Cape Dory 30

Actually my question is concerning a 36. I am looking for a suitable "blue water" cruiser that I can safely sail single handed and be comfortable enough for 2. What do you think the required equipment would for a 3-5 year circumnavigation? Your comments will be greatly appreciated.
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Actually my question is concerning a 36. I am looking for a suitable "blue water" cruiser that I can safely sail single handed and be comfortable enough for 2. What do you think the required equipment would for a 3-5 year circumnavigation? Your comments will be greatly appreciated.
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