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Re: Champagne taste on a beer budget

Do you have a vehicle that can tow a trailer sailboat and a place to keep it at home if you don't live on the water?

If so follow the others advice and get a trailer sailboat and enjoy with with no real costs like slip costs and such. You can get into a lot of different trailered sailboats for under $10,000 and if you shop carefully you probably won't loose anything on them or very little and with no slip fees and such keeping her costs nothing.

We have one parked next to the house that cost us nothing and another down in Florida that costs us $240 a month. You want one like the first one so that you can put the rest of the money away for the future.

We might even like the one next to the house better and for sure will own her longer,

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Re: Champagne taste on a beer budget

I have found my marina, a slip, and I have a budget for the slip. (I get that the pocket cruisers above may not be ideal for the Chesapeake, but I love them anyway.)
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Re: Champagne taste on a beer budget

I agree with ccriders - those are all great boats for crossing oceans, not so much for the Chesapeake Bay.

You want good light air performance and shoal draft. Since the prevailing winds are from the South during the Summer, and the Bay runs on a North-South axis, you will inevitably spend most of your time beating or running. Buy a used racing boat with relatively shoal draft, not a blue water cruiser.
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Do you have a vehicle that can tow a trailer sailboat and a place to keep it at home if you don't live on the water?
I live in an apartment in downtown Washington, DC. No yard. I could park the boat on the street but I don't think traffic enforcement would let that fly. Also, my car is a Mini.

It's going to cost me a fair amount to keep a boat afloat, one reason I've been hesitant to pull the trigger.

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Re: Champagne taste on a beer budget

I agree with all of the above, especially ccrider. Your dream boats don't seem like the best choice for "weekend sailing on the Chesapeake Bay". You preferably want something with less than 5 feet draft, that sails well and is fun in 5-10 kts of wind, especially as you start out. Pearson 30, Oday, Catalina come to mind. We started out with a 1980 Seafarer 30... great boat for the bay, affordable, and fun to learn on/with. That kind of boat suits what you are planning to do, and as stated by others, if you love it, you will probably move onward and upward to the next boat, when it is time. I think the biggest consideration is your probable cruising grounds and the qualities a boat should have for that geographical area.... eg one of my big favorites is a Sabre 386 (gulp), but my Caliber 35 LRC is better suited to warmer climes and has wayyyy better ventilation down below. That was just one component we considered in our decision for the move-up boat. But, I would do it all over again, with the Seafarer 30 as entry boat. Look at boats like that.. eg the ones mentioned above. Good luck, and go for it. You won't regret it! You are right to think about the other costs involved, though. Buying an older used boat means inevitable maintenance costs... get a survey on whatever you buy.
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Re: Champagne taste on a beer budget

Em, I think you're seeing a consensus.

Do you have any idea how rare that is on SailNet?

My God what have you done!

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you only get some many summers in one life. You dont want to let any more go by hoping for a better boat down the road...you can't get those summers back.

Buy a decent boat you can afford and go sailing.
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Em, I think you're seeing a consensus.

Do you have any idea how rare that is on SailNet?

My God what have you done!

I know. I'm going to take this as a sign to not let myself get any older on dry land. (40th birthday coming this year anyhow, I feel a midlife crisis coming on.)
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I have found my marina, a slip, and I have a budget for the slip. ..

The problem with the above is that it is going to eat up a lot of money that could go towards another boat later unless that slip is a lot less than what I've seen other places and I think that it goes with the comment you made earlier.

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But won't the expenses of keeping up one boat prevent me from being able to upgrade?
Only if you put one in the water all of the time in a slip. You will need to keep bottom paint on it and the maintenance will be more than even if you had a trailer boat in a mast-up yard. (edit: just read your other post and with a mini that might even be hard)

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.. (I get that the pocket cruisers above may not be ideal for the Chesapeake, but I love them anyway.)
Not sure what you are calling a pocket cruiser. I kind of reserve that for a boat maybe under 19 feet and I'll bet that there are tons of those sailing the Chesapeake. In our case we've taken out 26 foot easily trailered boat to larger lakes in Idaho, Utah and Canada and twice to Florida. Once 400+ miles down the west coast and across Florida Bay to the Keys and then up the Keys. I see people all the time posting that have trailered boats in the 20-26 foot range that sail the Chesapeake and take extended trips on them.

Just some thoughts. I'd keep your options open,

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Re: Champagne taste on a beer budget

As an apartment dwelling, non-land owning citizen a trailer sailor is a less then ideal setup. Throw in the Mini-Cooper and it is just a bad idea.

I'm with the chorus here. Get out there now on a boat you can afford and like AND one that is suited to the Chessy. Deep keeled boats are less than ideal for the Bay. I'd suggest you look at some of the keel/center board designs that are out there. They include the boat I have: Tartan 27', draft 3'6" with board up, 6' with board down. There are a few other similar keel/center board boats out there to look into as well. You should be able to find a boat similar to a T27 for well under your budget that is just a notch or two below the Nor'sea you seem to like (nice boat BTW - about the only boat I'd consider moving up to from my T27 since I really don't need 'more' boat but a better boat is something else (I can't afford right now)).

The problems that occur when people try to sell their old boat is that they often leave a list of obvious items to be fixed/maintained un-done. Boats that look like crap to you will not look good to a prospective buyer. In the used boat market the mantra has become: "It is not about the make or brand but the maintenance and upkeep of the boat." A poorly maintained boat is not going to be the first to sell.

I also like your short list of boats. PSC rates quite high.
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