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Interesting Comment comparing two boats

I was at the Norwalk boat show a couple weeks ago and a broker there made an interesting observation.

His brokerage sold both Island Packet and Catalina. A day before the show they were moving boats to the show and were in some pretty lumpy seas from a leftover storm.

He was showing both the IP 360 and the Catalina 385 and had sailed the Catalina himself and the IP was just a few boat lengths away from him during the trip.

He said he was very surprised that the Catalina seemed to him it be much more stable than the IP which surprised him since the IP has the reputation for being a more stately comfortable boat.
In those seas he observed the opposite.

He seemed genuinely puzzled and since he sold boat boats I doubt if he was making up stories.
He attributed the Catalina stability to the wing keel on the model he was sailing.
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Re: Interesting Comment comparing two boats

I can easily imagine certain conditions where a Catalina might not roll as much as a IP. But in my experience fin or wing keels don't do in much pitching conditions. Plus it's hard to judge what a boat feels like by watching it from another boat.
The broker would have to experience a lot of different conditions on both boats to get a full picture.
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Re: Interesting Comment comparing two boats

A wing keel will dampen a lot of rolling. Weight in the ends can cause a lot of pitching. Any combination of either will make a big difference. If the IP has 200' of anchor chain forward, along with two or three hefty anchors, the diesel all the way aft with the prop set at an angle, pushing the bow down as much as the boat forward... it's like the balancing toy with the weights on the ends - it starts pitching and just keeps going. If the Catalina has 15' of chain on a nylon rode attached to a single Danforth up front, along with a beamy entrance that keeps the bow from dipping down easily and a propeller shaft set horizontally, so it pushes the boat forward instead of pushing the bow down, the two boats are certainly going to behave differently. The surprise is how people's perceptions (that the IP is more stable-gleaned either from hearsay or advertising) can alter their views of reality (that the Hunter was actually the more stable craft when the two are compared side-by-side). A lot also depends upon the direction the boats and the waves were going.

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Re: Interesting Comment comparing two boats

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...a broker there made an interesting observation...He seemed genuinely puzzled and since he sold boat boats I doubt if he was making up stories...
So, up to the point, he was selling something that he really did not know that much about...

If you are a broker selling sailboats, how about taking them out for a sail in all kinds of conditions, so you can know what you are talking about.

Race them, help deliver them, and try cruising on one. Perhaps the builder and designer might receive useful input on improvements that way.
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