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I'm thinking about making the leap from fiberglass to steel for our next sailboat. We want to do some far flung cruising - maybe even circumnavigate. Our present boat is a 1977 Tartan 37 and while we love it - since we've had a child and possibly will have another one on the way it might get a bit small for a liveaboard situation.
This summer I drove a big, old steel tour boat around the finger lakes and started thinking that steel might be a good way to get my family around the big marble.
I've spent a week in the Caribbean on a glorious aluminium boat but have never sailed a steel one, so I have lots of questions about their performance as cruising boats?
What are some of the better designers to keep and eye out for?
How good are they in the hot climates?
Are there any extra dangers in lightning?
Thanks for any and all advice you can give.
"You gullible, style over substance type consumers, remind me of last century Chinese women, hobbling along painfully for their entire lives on bound feet, while sarcastically ridiculing and laughing at those incredibly stupid European women for so "Foolishly "allowing heir feet to become so large and "unstylish."
While you hobble along under the burden of debt, to keep up with the Joneses persuing matters which either make absolutely no difference or are a detriment to the function of a yacht , my more enlightened clients are sleeping in as long as they please, getting up whenever they please, and going sailing any time they please, for as long as they please."
We are watching BS spiral slowly out of control. His posts just get angrier and angrier.
I'm starting to hear "The Strange Last Voyage of Donald Crowhurst" in Brent's posts.
In about ten days we will race FRANCIS LEE for the first time. That will be very exciting. I know we will have a great time.
Many thanks to all who have visited my blog this week. Since I started blogging again this week I am getting 125 hits or more a day. I appreciate that.
Having enabled so many people to get out cruising in good, safe, affordable steel boats, which they could never have afforded otherwise, just keeps making me happier and happier, not angry, as it would Bob. You got it bass ackwards again , Bob! ( as usual)
The guy I sold my last boat to, told me that after seeing Waterline's prices, thought he would never be able to afford a steel boat in his lifetime. My boats and building methods made it possible for him, and much poorer people to own the best of new steel boats.
Knowing that has made me very happy, far beyond what mere money could ever do.
Apologies for speaking so far over your head, Bob! I understand such concepts and values being culturally beyond your capability of comprehending!
Maybe it's due to the crowd you hang out with!
You should get out ( cruising) more ! Meet some real people ,who live outside your consumerism bubble!
Then why this never ending, over and over rant about what is wrong with the rest of the sailing world. You will never convince me that you are happy. You have convinced me that you are pathetic. You try way too hard to sell your life style to people who have told you several times they are not interested.
In 14 days I'll fly to SF to give my talk at SFYC. I'll fly first class. I'll dress nicely with a tie to show respect to the club. I'l probably wear some nice, crisp Italian wool slacks, pleats, full break at the cuff, 1.25" cuff (I'm tall). I'll enjoy my trip. I am clearly not your kind of guy Brent. I would not enjoy your dumpster diving life style at all. But you go ahead and go for it. I don;t care what you do but you seem to care so much about what others do. See,,,that;s the simple difference. I'm a live and let live type. You are a complainer who goes after anyone who doesn't see the world his way. I'm for diversity not conformity. I don't want anyone telling how I should live my life.
I would never own or build an ugly boat . That is why I make all mine so beautiful.
A steel boat with thicker plate and fewer frames, is far harder to hole than one with thinner plate and more weight in frames. The framing makes it much easier to punch a hole in next to a frame.
Well Brent if your boat is so beautiful why do you never post photos of it? You are the Dulcamara of origami your boat must be a fine example of your method and design skills.
Let's see you post some nice, high res photos of your own boat. We can determine if it's beautiful. I'm sure your boat is a floating show piece.
I post my boats all over here and everywhere. I'm proud of them and I show them off. I call it marketing. And, showing off.
I'm with Bob, Let's see some pics or stfu. I would really like to see the one you built that you stated was "the best of new steel boats". You know the one for 10K that you said is superior to a new Waterline listing for over $600K. That would imply you can build a better, more beautiful yacht for 1.6% of the cost of a new Waterline. Dude, you're truly awesome. You should really consider expanding your empire into aviation and automotive offering your enlightened clients $50K Citations and $1600 Porsche 911's.
This one isn't a Brentboat. The liferails are too short. Very yachty...
This one is not nearly as ugly as the other ones...
Of course, they too ignored Brent's design on the liferails. Actually, it seems many of them ignored Brent.
Strange. I thought they were all grateful.
This one just makes me sad...
No boat should have to go through life looking like that.
This photo shows the real truth behind Brent's marketing program...
He's convinced his customers that "full time cruising" means hitting or sitting on hard stuff. Interesting approach. I really hope someone lets them know that that's not sailing.
To my eye, that one's not too bad at all. I can even picture owning something like that, at least as it appears from the pic... The ridiculous height of the boom is a bit of a mystery, however... Perhaps it needs to be that high to clear the lifeline rails originally spec'ed by Brent?
Most of us aren't shy about posting pics of our boats, I've always wondered what Brent's looked like, and figured one was simply buried too deeply in this thread for me to bother looking... Glad someone has finally issued the 'challenge', but it won't surprise me if he deems us Not Worthy of gazing upon such Exalted Beauty...
I think I've found the girl for Brent. Won't work, unsocial, unconcerned with esthetics or style, likes unusual colours, even comes with some of her own steel.
Yeah but,,,their not your's Brent. Show us your boat. Your big with showing other people's stuff but very short on showing your own. Makes me wonder.
I kind of like that one you posted. I'd have to see it finished but it looks like a decent start if that style appeals to you. We cant all be stuck in 1966. Not that it was a bad year.
There is an interesting article in the latest issue of Pacific Yachting. It shows "Composite": (ABC approved) thru hulls broken clean off on the outside flange, leaving a huge hole in the hull. It states that such cracking and breaking of the outside flange is common. A friend had that happen on her plastic stock boat.
Thus, another advantage of steel is the ability to weld in stainless type 316 sch 40 pipe nipples, which have never given me a hint of trouble , nor anyone else I know of, who uses them, in over 40 years of use ( But, I am told, are not ABS approved, unlike the fragile plastic ones, which are frequently breaking). I'll take logic, decades of experience and common sense over ABS approval anytime, especially when they insist I use something which fails commonly, over that which has had zero problems over many decades.
You can pound on them with a sledgehammer without breaking them off. I got kicked off several sites for suggesting that sch 40 stainless, welded in, is stronger than plastic .
This kinda blows all credibility for finding useful info on those sites( including BD.net)
I got kicked off several sites for suggesting that sch 40 stainless, welded in, is stronger than plastic .
This kinda blows all credibility for finding useful info on those sites( including BD.net)
Yeah but, where are the photos of your boat Brent. You sound like the same old tired record. I can't speak for everyone but you are the Dulcamara of origami and I would like to see some good high res photos of your boat.
Maybe you are like me. Photos of everyone else's boats but none of mine. I'm a lousy photographer so I don't take many photos. I just don't have the knack to "capture the moment". But I sure as hell have lots of nice photos of my work.
The sheer on my boats is simply the factory edge of the plate, eliminating 72 feet of cutting and grinding on a 36. It can be modified by changing the flare slightly at any point.
Brent:
What I like about you is that you do have an honest sense of humor.
You mean next week you could be jammed and not have the time for 10 minutes of photo posting? Email them to me and I'll post them.
I thought about you today. I met with two new clients who have whacky idea and I wondered if you and your building method might fit in. We'll see. I have no problem with your method. I even think one or two of your boats are almost handsome. I think you nailed the sheer on that 34' model. I think you are a twerp. But I can be a jerk so I can relate.
Brent:
I think that green boat is spot on. I could own that boat and be proud.
The finished white boat is rather nice also.
The unfinished white hull is too unfair aft for my taste.
I don't know what to think about the three boats in the mud. If they were my designs I think I'd be happy.
But your attacks on Smack are silly. He has his taste and you have yours. We are all entitled to our own opinions and his are not yours. So be it. I know for certain that Smack enjoys his own boat a lot. It's kind of weird to tell someone, "No,,,you are not having fun." I don't get that attitude.
My life is different from yours. But that doesn't make my life "bad" just different. I would not like to live your life with no family around me. And it's plain from your postings that you don't want a family around you. I'm not sure you know what you are missing but I respect your decisions.
Tomorrow is Easter. Big celebration at the Perry shack. Giant ham, spuds, peas, my own white sauce and some good Riesling to wash it all down. I can guarantee you that there will be no angry people here. You are welcome to join us. I'd like that.
Give Brent a brake Smacks. He was never very good with the truth. It's a challenge for him to remember what he said yesterday. Reality is all so,,,,nebulous.
So true. I hope you're not holding your breath for that picture from Brent's other computer.
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