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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

as re the benefits of steelies--you can bounce em off a rock and not sink....lol...a friend of mine does that unintentionally-- he doesnt ground--he bounces off rocks....egads...
also beneficial is that no one will anchor near ye....lol
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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With a skilled owner and good tools, I've put together a 36 ft hull in two days or tacked together the shell( Hull, decks, wheelhouse, cabin, cockpit keel and skeg ) in 6 days.

When the cost of steel to build a 36 was around $4K ,the cost of aluminium to build the same boat was around $20K, and aluminium welding equipment was far more expensive . You can only weld aluminium outside in a dead calm, in dry weather. Aluminium welds are only 60% the strength of the surrounding metal, whereas steel welds are 100% , demand far less skill, and are far harder to screw up on.

On my steel 31 footer, maintenance cost has averaged around 2 hours a year, and less than $50 a year.
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Here's a 36 called MOM.



The Construction of MOM

Actually a very nice looking boat, I must say. And I think this might be one of the boats you're talking about throwing together in 6 days.

Of course, it seems it took them about 3 months to get to that point you mention above. (They obviously don't have the BS Kung Fu). Then another 7 months or so to actually get her in the water. Then another couple of years to actually finish her to a basic level of completion.

Let's see, that's...3 years from beginning to end. Wow. One could get a lot of cruising done in in 3 years in a FG boat, likely for less money, if one is just looking to cruise.

Just sayin'.

(PS - Isn't lead about a buck a pound? That would be about $5K just for the lead, bro! Where did the $4K figure come from? Are you sure you're using an abacus?)
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

BS from BS. It never ends.
BS goes on about all this experience maintaining a steel boat then he tries to tell us it's 2 hours and $50 a year. So if BS is correct, after ten years with your steel boat you have invested 20 hours of maintainence. Amazing and not to even mention the $500.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

I just painted the bottom of an Islander 36 on friday.My friend the owner had already sanded and put an undercoat of epoxy on.The bottom paint was Petits best poison, black.60% cuprous oxide.Good old fashioned bottom paint.it retails for $286 a gallon.We got it with a deep ,deep discount.it took a gallon and a half for 2 coats, a coat in the morning and a coat in the afternoon.total painting time 4 1/2 hours.The paint with the discount was still almost $300, forget about the epoxy under coat,sand paper and sanding time.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Having owned a steeler, that two hours $50 does sound remarkably dodgey to me as well. Even without addressing any possible rust issues that is a most imporbably figure. It takes a damn sight more than two hours a year to keep the plastic lady Bristol, hell it takes that long to keep the dinghy afloat.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Most of us spend more than two hours and $50.00 a year washing our car, I cannot imagine having a boat larger than this one that did not take more than that in time or money.

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

damn it Mark!
Now I am going to feel the need to figure out how much time I spend spiffing up my car each year. It's a hell of a lot more than two hours. But I use SEVEN BROTHERS organic dishwashing liquid. It works really well and is not too expensive so I may be able to stay under the $50 limit.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

I interpreted the 2 hours and $50 comment to be topsides and deck only not bottom.
His boat is only 31 feet.

Which if Brent has stainless at any wear point and only has to touch up a chip now and then on the deck or the topsides I could see those numbers could be real.
And frankly if he went over budget by 400% and it was 8 hours and $200 I would think it would be close enough.

Brent says his paint job has lasted 29 years. AllGrip is generally expected to last about 10 years so I wonder what paint he has used?

Maybe today's paint is not as good.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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damn it Mark!
Now I am going to feel the need to figure out how much time I spend spiffing up my car each year. It's a hell of a lot more than two hours. But I use SEVEN BROTHERS organic dishwashing liquid. It works really well and is not too expensive so I may be able to stay under the $50 limit.
I wash my pickup once or twice a week, going in and out of oilfield locations gets it nasty, a lot of lime and calcium in the soil here, so you have to keep it clean. I use either dish liquid like dawn or joy, or something like that, and then I have to clean up the glass and so forth. I figure about $10.00 a week in water, soap, and tire and wheel cleaners, another $5.00 a week on glass cleaner, and then the leather seat cleaner. Let's just say $15.00 a week, and about two hours more or less, a week.
  • $15.00 per week = $780.00 USD
    2 Hours a week = 104 hours
    I get $32.50 per hour on straight time so since my time is worth something
    $32.50 * 104 =$3,380.00 USD

    Total $780.00 + $3,380.00 = $4,160.00

Now maybe other people do not account for their time, but I do, before I pay someone else to do it. If I had it washed here it would cost me $65.00 per wash, so I actually save about $80.00 per week doing it myself, and I do a lot better job of it. My truck is always clean and I am able to get a better resale on it when I trade it in, so it is okay. Not to mention that a clean truck, car, or boat just looks better. I could not live with a rust covered, streaked hull any more than I could with a filthy truck that got my clothes dirty every time I got in and out of it.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Don't use dish soap to wash a car - it is designed to strip wax, grease, oils etc. from dishes and it does the same to a car - all your last wax job disappears.

Pay the $2 and get car washing liquid - it won't strip the last wax job.
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