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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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Good summary!

I would add the following...

- If your in the in between, and you like the idea of steel, have looked at aluminium and dismissed it for reasons probably to do with cost, and you want to build yourself, then Brent Swain is one of several options, I would suggest that there are designs in steel that offer the advantages of the material with better performance.

I would look at

Van De Stadt Yacht Designs

Graham Radford designs

Grahame Shannon

Dudley Dix Designs

Bruce Roberts
You could join to the list a lot of designers with many steel boats designs, Holland has several as well as France but to be fair I don't know any that has boats as simple to build (and therefore cheaper) than the ones from Bruce Swain.

Of course if we talk of performanmce....that is another story but if the performance is important I think aluminum is a better material. It is not by accident that in Europe you cannot find a single steel production boat builder (some decades ago there were several) and many production aluminum boats.

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

"It is not by accident that in Europe you cannot find a single steel production boat builder (some decades ago there were several) and many production aluminum boats."

Very good point Paulo.

For the list of steel boat designers I'd add Yves-Marie Tanton. He is very good and really understands performance and has designed for all materials. On top of that he is a decent fellow.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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Smack, that post has to be one of the best quote collections I have ever seen. Incredible. Be careful or you will end up the sailnet historian.
Heh-heh. No freakin' way.

After reading Brent's posts on several forums now (and actually supporting him in the past), I just wanted to make sure there was one single place one could link to to show Brent's true colors to a wannabe cruiser who might have an interest in a steel boat. That's exactly what that post is. You can know pretty much everything you need to know by reading it through (at least enough to know you should know A LOT more before jumping into a build).

Now I don't have to argue with him anymore (unless I want to). It's all right there. And I didn't even have to drive home any conclusions or try to sway anyone's opinion - again, it's all right there.

So, I actually feel pretty good about that. People can decide for themselves.

(PS - I also think it just might be the longest post ever on the interwebs.)
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(PS - I also think it just might be the longest post ever on the interwebs.)
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Proof positive that those damn plastic tubs are utterly useless ....

Funnelweb | High Performance Sailing?. where fast just ain't fast enough!

Funny coincidence ... I was visiting some mates in Newcastle early in the year just as these guys were getting ready to head out for the start of the Melbourne to Osaka then last evening same place as FunnelWeb came home around midnight.

Surprisingly (insert sarcasm warning) the boat looks in pretty good shape.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Andrew- get "this video does not exist". Is it in the same place ashard performance data on BS boats ?
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

I finally got to a place where internet access is unlimited. So in the next couple of days I will respond, point by point, to Smack's naïve , amateur , inexperienced disinformation comments. Right now, the suns going down, and its getting colder. Still warm enough for a swim in the lake today, but not much longer.
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Andrew- get "this video does not exist". Is it in the same place ashard performance data on BS boats ?
For a copy of the origamiboats video , contact Alex at achristie@shaw.ca
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Interesting that the strongest opponents of steel are the ones who have never sailed one, and have never built owned or maintained one, but simply parrot the disinformation propagated by plastic boat salesmen. This was supposed to be a pros and cons of steel sailboats discussion. The fact that the only pros were from the only person on this debate ( a pro) who has built, designed and sailed for decades on steel sailboats, the only one with any first hand experience on the subject, and the only cons were from those who have no experience on the subject ,and who imply that only cons should be allowed (Cons in more ways than one).
As for performance , Silas Crosby's times were in the same range as most heavily loaded offshore cruisers , better than many, regardless of material. Paul Wilsons comments on the origamiboats site are similar experiences, faster than many stock fibreglass boats.
Moitessier ( who's steel boat I had nothing to do with) made similar fast passage times, in the roaring 40s, with none of the failures one would expect as normal on similar voyage in a plastic boat.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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So in the next couple of days I will respond, point by point, to Smack's naïve , amateur , inexperienced disinformation comments.
But Brent, Smack didn't actually say anything. He collated everything you said.

The naive amateurish misinformation was all YOU. Feel free to address your quoted comments however, several times you have been invited to substantiate your claims, I look forward to you finally doing so.

How's Smack's Brentblock??
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