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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Yeah but Marty, if you build a steel El Toro you could shoot it.
Shoot the bull.

It does sound like a fun project.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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Dean,

I would agree that many types of material have ways of making a proper item, having also worked in construction. Solid concrete walls in some places are better than block walls, other places, blocks are better. Concrete pavers can be better than solid poured concrete vs asphalt. All products I have worked with in landscapes.

Can say the same for different types of wood for decks, fences etc. At the end of the day...which is best.....yeah right!

I also have not been told how much a steel 8' pram would wiegh either. I asked that a while back. I doubt it would be less than 50 lbs as one can buld an El Toro 0r equal. I could probably use kevlar or carbon and epoxy and build it to less than 25-35 lbs. ALL building materils have plus and minus's to them.

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Almost every book I've read on sailing and cruising states that boats are compromises. Brent seems to think that if you want to cruise or circumnavigate, steel is the way to go while fiberglass is great for the "marina queens". Quite frankly, I think almost all sailors fall in the middle with occasional leanings in each direction. I would think that even circumnavigators spend some well deserved rest at dockside or tucked away in a cove. Looking at posts from new sailors they almost invariably have dreams of long excursions or blue water sailing. And has there ever been a sailor that has remained in colder climes without visiting a tropical destination or vice versa? As long as the owner of the boat is doing with it as they wish and it makes them happy, the boat is serving it's purpose.

I think the material the boat is built out of is one of those compromises that each individual sailor must make depending on their unique needs and requirements.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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Yeah but Marty, if you build a steel El Toro you could shoot it.
Shoot the bull.

It does sound like a fun project.
Think of the great names you could give a steel boat!

Hammer Time
Reef Eater
Target Practice


Ok now I feel bad for making fun.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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Steel Away

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

I still like "Anvil Of The Sea".



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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Steel might be nice. Time and money not so much. I would love a well built steel boat. Better yet aluminum, maybe SS. ? The $ factor rules ! Wood is nice also but look at the upkeep. Plastic is the bang for the buck despite its drawbacks it has the lead.
Would I sleep ok with most average welders that can run a bead not a chance.
The skill set needed to finish a steel boat is likely to be beyond the reach of the average Joe. Even if you can learn to be a proficient welder before you start the project who is going to qc and who is going to x-ray One more skill to hire out. Even if I weld it a few of the joints will need to have a few x-ray shots in critical areas No one is perfect no material is perfect I say this with over 300+ x-ray pipe welds on just this last job site. Will my next one be good? I pray it will. I can not tell you 100%
Plastic also rules in pipe. It is less expensive. Skill level to install is much lower. Is better? I think you need to look at the end use.
If the average Joe just started to install Steel I beams and then put pipe in his rack and run electric, in the cable trays it would scare me to be near it.
I am enjoying this thread. Lets be nice skip the insults.
I would like to see some kind of cost spread sheet I will give way and say you need a range. Even plastic has a range depending on who makes this 36 foot boat. Raw material should have a cost range and grade. This is true for plastic wood or metal Grade it Price it for us please. I could get a idea just by the tonnage ?
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

I have quite a collection of bids Lou for my custom boats but I don't think they are broken down exactly the way you would like. They generally are broken down in progress payments rather than materials specific costs. I think I know what you are after and I'm sure it's avaiable for the Sliver Project. Kim is a CPA. I am also certain that Kim has no intention of posting the costs on a public forum. Brent may have this info available as it must be necessary when selling plans to a home builder on a tight budget.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Just ball park some figures ? a 32 foot steel 32 foot glass of comparable hull use type. I and everyone else knows steel will cost more, Lets ball park a price.
steel must be good for end use or they would make the large ships of it.
What tonnage, length dose one need to make steel worth it.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Lou,

The ball park where steel may make sense in a $$ standpoint, seem to be somewhere in the 40-60' range. Along with if one is going to go "POLAR" sailing if you will. IE the more north or south you go, steel makes sense to a degree from a sailing thru ice standpoint. We should also remember the Titanic when we say this too.....but would swag they were going in the mid teen speed wise, when most ice breakers etc are probably less than 2-5 knots of boat speed, so the ice will not tear up the hull as bad!

At the end, there is really no right or wrong from a which material you use.

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