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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Another variable not fully explored in this thread is where you sail and expect to service your boat. As Brent said "plastic" is a dime a dozen. Virtually all yards have much experience with it as do most sailors. Wood in it's various techniques is most unfortunately be coming a lost art although IMHO cold molded wood/epoxy or strip plank with appropriate skins maybe the best material for the sailing most of us do. Similarly, skilled workers in Al are limited and you run the risk of someone not familiar with the material doing a modification that may degrade the integrity of the vessel. But it is probably the best material for long term cruising off the grid, especially high latitude.
Large vessels are built to the economic reality of a "service life". Many never come out of the water or undergo the extensive refits that we subject our "true loves" to.
We all have many 50+ year old wood boats and "plastic" boats in our harbors being actively used and enjoyed. Don't see that many metal boats of that kind of age being sailed unless they are of extraordinary pedigree.

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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You or maybe we all forgot that concrete stuff for boat hulls too! I heard that is pretty cheap to work with..............

Not many of them around either.

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Oh, should not BS like them concrete ones since they have steel mesh or some such thing int hem?

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Seems like that was the major issue and the cause of many finely constructed ferrocement boats being uninsurable. From what I recall most home builders could get the proper set up of the concrete but when construction was done incorrectly the steel would degrade inside the hull. This was undetectable without major interrogation so after multiple claims insurance became basically unobtainable. Don't think it's even used for barges now. Hear it's becoming increasingly difficult to get insurance or slip dockage for old plank on frame as well. Think that just stupid as if well maintained and refastened when needed those are solid sea boats.

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Not sure I would want a barge out of concrete, much less a boat. Altho I cross three different bridges that are made of concrete and float! They seem to do ok. But I am sure the build process is one heck of a lot more looked at, speced etc too!

Then not being ablt to more a plank on frame! Again, not sure how many local fishing boats have that style of build still. Altho steel is the new thing for new ones in the 60-100+ ft range. Probably cheaper vs frame and double planked bottoms, alogn with at times stronger etc when built properly!

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

fish boats around here are pretty much all steel if trawlers of 50+ feet and about 80% grp if smaller. Starting to see aluminum more and more in all sizes given low maintenance. none are frameless to my knowledge.

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Delta Marine of Seattle built some very big all grp fishing boats in the 70's and recently have started building more in grp. They are magnificent vessels and beautfully designed.
They have also built some all grp mega yachts. Large grp boats was their speciality. Jose over on CA is part of their very skilled design team. He was once a student of mine at Evergreen State College.

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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I agree, that Delta builds some LARGE boats. I saw one a few months back getting launched. Now I can not remember the name, altho I posted about it a few months back too. Greek name IIRC. BIG WHITE thing.... beautiful boat.

Then they have the all steel thing that has been sitting there for a few yrs, due to incorrect steel from the assembler in SAfrica. Not sure what is going to happen to that hulk.....

any way, need to go off to work, as some say, I owe I owe, off to work we go! or some such thing.

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Seems the megayachts are also flipping to synthetics. Maybe that way the limpet mines won't stick to them.(LOL). If I ever get old and rich enough could see a grp Norhaven in my future. Fishing fleet here has been decimated by catch and days at sea restrictions. My sense not too much new construction going on unfortunately. On this subject you guys are on the "right" coast.

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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Fishing fleet here has been decimated by catch and days at sea restrictions.
The fishing fleets both there and here have been decimated by overfishing, pure & simple. The incredible incompetence and stupidity of our federal fisheries department that allowed the Grand Banks cod fishery to be wiped out beggars belief.

The situation here on the Wet coast is not quite that bad but it's close. They still haven't been able to grasp the connection between the herring fishery and the decline of the salmon fishery. For that matter they can't seem to connect the huge factory type ships and the resultant overfishing either.

The only people in the entire fishing world that seem to have any brains at all are the sport fishers - it seems everyone else is in it for what they can get, politically or financially, with no thought of the future.
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I, myself, personally intend to continue being outspoken and opinionated, intolerant of all fanatics, fools and ignoramuses, deeply suspicious of all those who have "found the answer" and on my bad days, downright rude.

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