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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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That's kind of a shame that Boeing Surply went online. Most of the fun of shopping there was just rambling about the place looking for odd items. That's how I found my 747 spline weights. They were in a bucket full of odds and ends. I remember seeing a huge pile of tangled drafting machines.
When I take first time clients to the scrapyard , at first they tip toe daintily thru the piles. An hour later I have to practically drag them away. They don't want to leave .
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"I said absolutely nothing directly insulting about Bobs wife "

I'm very sorry Brent but that is a lie.

I think Jeff can provide the evidence to that.
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I think you mean the old red barn at the museum.
Nope.. I am quite close to the source. Some of that stuff is still around. I am presently in possession of the documents. Perhaps I will drop by some time and show them to you and have you autograph my book.

(I'll also show you around my boat, of which I am quite fond of (sorry.. Tony Castro design)

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Brent, no-one here is attacking steel in any way other than to say it's slow for small boats, which it is. The only thing they are "attacking" is your messianic single-mindedness towards it as being the ONLY material safe for offshore sailing.
I have never claimed steel was the ONLY material for offshore boats, just the safest, driest, toughest, most comfortable and trouble free, in heavy duty, full time use, and the easiest to build.

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Racing crew from the Royal Vancouver Yacht Club told me about shortening the waterline with a hydraulic backstay adjuster, for a lower rating, in the early 70's, under racing rules then in effect.

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I said absolutely nothing directly insulting about Bobs wife
Brent - that is an out and out lie - I was on this thread before & after you DID.

I, myself, personally intend to continue being outspoken and opinionated, intolerant of all fanatics, fools and ignoramuses, deeply suspicious of all those who have "found the answer" and on my bad days, downright rude.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Ok, let's get back on topic here.

Brent I'm anxious to see some pics of your 26'er.

When I asked how small can you go with your method I was thinking below 30' but I didn't know. It's not like I am going to start drawing steel boats. But I am interested in all kinds of boats. and you have 36 boats built over 40 years. Wow. That's almost one a year. That is quite a few steel boats. I have,,,,let's see,,,,,four over 39 years. Shitski.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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At the risk of being mundane ( above posts where delightful and reminds me Beethoven continued to compose after he lost his hearing and the Wizard of Bristol kept drawing after he was too old to sail) wish to return to frameless construction. Seems practical way to increase plate thickness while eliminating frames so total hull weight remains in "acceptable" limits. What I wonder is:
Is there a upper and lower limit to LOA where it just doesn't make sense?
Why don't we hear about this technique more in Aluminum construction? Being easier to bend and of significantly lighter weight seems LOA limitations are less likely to apply. Forget where but seem to remember a new sailboat manufacturer using a modification of this technique. Also wonder if a female mold could be constructed and with a hydraulic press using Al ( or possibly steel but more force involved) a production line of sailboats could be constructed at very reasonable cost.
Just wondering
Somewhere in this thread I posted a marketing video of a company that was doing just that (origami with aluminum). They went under after taking lots of orders (i.e. - money up front), but not being able to deliver the final products. Maybe it was the fact that hulls went together pretty quickly - but then there's the rest of the yacht to build...the hard part.


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Sully runs a great site, where innovation is encouraged . He's a good moderator. He was not the first one to point out that Smack and Bob were only there to follow, misrepresent and attack my posts.
Your hero, Smack, attacks all forms of innovation, and hides behind an alias.
Doesn't use his real name.
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Follow? Dude, I joined that site in 2009. And it certainly wasn't to "follow" you. I'd never heard of you until a couple of years ago when I saw your posts on another forum.

I love innovation (even yours). I only attack hypocrisy and dishonesty (especially yours).


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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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Brent - that is an out and out lie - I was on this thread before & after you DID.
Seems to be a pattern, eh?

Here is what he said:

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Have you guys seen this guys wife? Aesthetics?
No argueing with the weight given by a government highway scale.
Bedtime. Getin dark, too dark to see.
After we called him out on it, he then edited it to say this (prior to very rightly being banned):

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Bob. This contradicts your earlier posts.. You have some of the best looking boats out there, second only to mine. If I emulated your hull shapes in steel, they would be horrendously expensive, time consuming,"Miss Bondo's." Different materials call for different shapes.
No argueing with the weight given by a government highway scale.
Bedtime. Getin dark, too dark to see.
Brent - truth really is a lot easier. You just don't have the intellectual capacity to keep this many fabricated storylines straight.

Think about truth like you think about steel. It's strong and can withstand hitting reality. Deception and dishonesty are like plastic...they break really easily when they hit reality. And you sink. Every time.

Go with truth Brent. Truth=Steel. That's a Pro.


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