Pros and cons of steel sailboats - Page 148 - SailNet Community

   Search Sailnet:

 forums  store  


Quick Menu
Forums           
Articles          
Galleries        
Chat  
Boat Reviews  
Classifieds     
Search SailNet 
Boat Search (new)

Shop the
SailNet Store
Anchor Locker
Boatbuilding & Repair
Charts
Clothing
Electrical
Electronics
Engine
Hatches and Portlights
Interior And Galley
Maintenance
Marine Electronics
Navigation
Other Items
Plumbing and Pumps
Rigging
Safety
Sailing Hardware
Trailer & Watersports
Clearance Items

Advertise Here






Go Back   SailNet Community > On Board > Boat Review and Purchase Forum
 Not a Member? 


Like Tree1723Likes
Closed Thread
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
  #1471  
Old 10-04-2013
grumpy old man
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 3,796
Thanks: 1
Thanked 82 Times in 78 Posts
Rep Power: 4
bobperry will become famous soon enough
Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Jon:
I live in an area where we have a lot of bare alu work boats. I love work boats. They have integrity. I can go with that look. I prefer that look. It suits my mood.
__________________
Please visit my blog. It's fun to read.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Bob's Blog ....

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


Please also visit my new web site
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Quick reply to this message
  #1472  
Old 10-04-2013
SloopJonB's Avatar
Senior Moment Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: West Vancouver B.C.
Posts: 10,960
Thanks: 59
Thanked 56 Times in 53 Posts
Rep Power: 4
SloopJonB will become famous soon enough
Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

For what you want - a "beach dragger" - you'd be crazy to go any other way.
__________________
I, myself, personally intend to continue being outspoken and opinionated, intolerant of all fanatics, fools and ignoramuses, deeply suspicious of all those who have "found the answer" and on my bad days, downright rude.

Last edited by SloopJonB; 10-04-2013 at 05:08 PM.
Quick reply to this message
  #1473  
Old 10-04-2013
grumpy old man
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 3,796
Thanks: 1
Thanked 82 Times in 78 Posts
Rep Power: 4
bobperry will become famous soon enough
Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Looks like I can get up to 20' long sheets 96" wide. Don't need that width.

Betts has the drawings now. We'll see what he says and if sounds god I'll drive up next week and have a chat. He's only a bit over an hour from me.
__________________
Please visit my blog. It's fun to read.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Bob's Blog ....

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


Please also visit my new web site
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Quick reply to this message
  #1474  
Old 10-04-2013
blt2ski's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 6,773
Thanks: 0
Thanked 25 Times in 24 Posts
Rep Power: 10
blt2ski will become famous soon enough
Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

A clean aluminum boat does look good. Saw many this morning at my marina, along with some pretty white 24' skinny azzed sailboat......altho it did have a pretty wood transom with an 8hp motor attached..........

Marty
__________________
She drives me boat,
I drives me dinghy!
Quick reply to this message
  #1475  
Old 10-04-2013
SloopJonB's Avatar
Senior Moment Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: West Vancouver B.C.
Posts: 10,960
Thanks: 59
Thanked 56 Times in 53 Posts
Rep Power: 4
SloopJonB will become famous soon enough
Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

I'll have mine engine turned please.
Attached Thumbnails
Pros and cons of steel sailboats-engine-turning.jpg  
__________________
I, myself, personally intend to continue being outspoken and opinionated, intolerant of all fanatics, fools and ignoramuses, deeply suspicious of all those who have "found the answer" and on my bad days, downright rude.
Quick reply to this message
  #1476  
Old 10-04-2013
Banned
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: British Columbia
Posts: 2,373
Thanks: 19
Thanked 33 Times in 32 Posts
Rep Power: 0
Brent Swain is on a distinguished road
Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Quote:
Originally Posted by bobperry View Post
Jon:
I live in an area where we have a lot of bare alu work boats. I love work boats. They have integrity. I can go with that look. I prefer that look. It suits my mood.
That's exactly the point I have been making all along!

I have only done one multi chine hull, definitely a lot trickier than a single chine. A singe chine hull is far simpler to build and far more forgiving of minor mistakes. Its very easy on a multi chine hull to get chine angles far different than that which you intended, not a problem with a single chine hull. Bob's computer skills should eliminate that possibility, but others could get into difficulty that way. Multi chine hulls are also a lot more needless cutting, fitting and welding, with it is increased distortion potential , especially when you have a lot less of the ends conic.
Quick reply to this message
  #1477  
Old 10-04-2013
Banned
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: British Columbia
Posts: 2,373
Thanks: 19
Thanked 33 Times in 32 Posts
Rep Power: 0
Brent Swain is on a distinguished road
Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Quote:
Originally Posted by bobperry View Post
Ok Tom. Then if it is one weld to save dough is the weld on the outside or the inside of the shell?

Many thanks for the help.
I asked Brent some direct questions re; scantlings but I got no answer. Maybe he's not comfy with alu. I can do it without his help. Could have been fun. Hope he'll stay in the loop and chime in from time to time.
I don't sit at my computer full time. I have a life away from it, cruising, etc.
Ill look for your question, when I get the time, on my own time.
Quick reply to this message
  #1478  
Old 10-04-2013
grumpy old man
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 3,796
Thanks: 1
Thanked 82 Times in 78 Posts
Rep Power: 4
bobperry will become famous soon enough
Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Brent:
Right. The builder is already talking about using a "wood plug" inside the skin to keep it fair while welding it.

"That's exactly the point I have been making all along!"

Yes, but while I want this look for the peapod it's not a look I want for my yachts. But I am capable of drawing something that would suit that look, something on the rugged side. It would take the right client. Like me.

"Ill look for your question, when I get the time, on my own time. "
Don't bother Brent. I think I have it far along now that I can fumble my way through the rest of the process with the builder. He has a good handling on scantlings and is looking for inventory now. Thanks anyway.
__________________
Please visit my blog. It's fun to read.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Bob's Blog ....

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


Please also visit my new web site
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Last edited by bobperry; 10-04-2013 at 05:25 PM.
Quick reply to this message
  #1479  
Old 10-04-2013
Banned
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: British Columbia
Posts: 2,373
Thanks: 19
Thanked 33 Times in 32 Posts
Rep Power: 0
Brent Swain is on a distinguished road
Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Quote:
Originally Posted by bobperry View Post
This is coming along.
Bow shot, stern shot.
That twist in the bottom plate at the bow can be extremely hard to control distortion in. The edges want to be longer than the middle in such a shape, just like a clipper bow. Conic ends eliminate that problem.
Quick reply to this message
  #1480  
Old 10-04-2013
Banned
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: British Columbia
Posts: 2,373
Thanks: 19
Thanked 33 Times in 32 Posts
Rep Power: 0
Brent Swain is on a distinguished road
Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Quote:
Originally Posted by bobperry View Post
Brent:
Yep, I think it will be a bit tippy but I have rowed shells and wherries and I know tippy. I think there may be more flare to the topsides than it appears in that view.
I have been struggling with the seat height. But considering your experience I'll keep it low. Right now it's 10" high off the bottom of the skiff. What do you think? Too high?

Jeff:
It's odd but when you develop a hull like this you don't really have what you and I call a lines drawing. But I can make one. Give me some time to sort out the actual shape then I'll chop it up into the conventiional views.

I'll think about your side deck suggestion. I'm loathe to make changes that would add weight.

Smackenheimer:
I changed the name to the PERRY PEENER PEAPOD.
10 inches is way too high for a seat. No reason for it to be that high.
You can expand the edges of the twisted bow plate by peening the edges with a ball peen hammer on a heavy piece of plate. Using a nibbler for cutting also does it, to some extent.
Quick reply to this message
Closed Thread

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

By choosing to post the reply above you agree to the rules you agreed to when joining Sailnet.
Click Here to view those rules.

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the SailNet Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
Please note: After entering 3 characters a list of Usernames already in use will appear and the list will disappear once a valid Username is entered.
User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 9 (0 members and 9 guests)
 
Thread Tools

 
Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may post attachments
You may edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Hunter 36 Pros and Cons? turfguy Hunter 15 08-25-2014 06:08 PM
C & C 24 pros and cons chuckg Boat Review and Purchase Forum 11 04-06-2012 01:45 AM
Pros and Cons of Catalina 350?? turfguy C350 6 10-16-2009 06:17 PM
Watermakers—Pros and Cons Tom Wood Cruising Articles 0 06-11-2002 09:00 PM
Steel Hulls—Pros and Cons Sue & Larry Buying a Boat Articles 0 09-12-2001 09:00 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:27 PM.

Add to My Yahoo!         
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2015, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.1
(c) Marine.com LLC 2000-2012

The SailNet.com store is owned and operated by a company independent of the SailNet.com forum. You are now leaving the SailNet forum. Click OK to continue or Cancel to return to the SailNet forum.