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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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I live in an area where we have a lot of bare alu work boats. I love work boats. They have integrity. I can go with that look. I prefer that look. It suits my mood.

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

For what you want - a "beach dragger" - you'd be crazy to go any other way.

I, myself, personally intend to continue being outspoken and opinionated, intolerant of all fanatics, fools and ignoramuses, deeply suspicious of all those who have "found the answer" and on my bad days, downright rude.

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Looks like I can get up to 20' long sheets 96" wide. Don't need that width.

Betts has the drawings now. We'll see what he says and if sounds god I'll drive up next week and have a chat. He's only a bit over an hour from me.

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

A clean aluminum boat does look good. Saw many this morning at my marina, along with some pretty white 24' skinny azzed sailboat......altho it did have a pretty wood transom with an 8hp motor attached..........

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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Jon:
I live in an area where we have a lot of bare alu work boats. I love work boats. They have integrity. I can go with that look. I prefer that look. It suits my mood.
That's exactly the point I have been making all along!

I have only done one multi chine hull, definitely a lot trickier than a single chine. A singe chine hull is far simpler to build and far more forgiving of minor mistakes. Its very easy on a multi chine hull to get chine angles far different than that which you intended, not a problem with a single chine hull. Bob's computer skills should eliminate that possibility, but others could get into difficulty that way. Multi chine hulls are also a lot more needless cutting, fitting and welding, with it is increased distortion potential , especially when you have a lot less of the ends conic.

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Ok Tom. Then if it is one weld to save dough is the weld on the outside or the inside of the shell?

Many thanks for the help.
I asked Brent some direct questions re; scantlings but I got no answer. Maybe he's not comfy with alu. I can do it without his help. Could have been fun. Hope he'll stay in the loop and chime in from time to time.
I don't sit at my computer full time. I have a life away from it, cruising, etc.
Ill look for your question, when I get the time, on my own time.

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Brent:
Right. The builder is already talking about using a "wood plug" inside the skin to keep it fair while welding it.

"That's exactly the point I have been making all along!"

Yes, but while I want this look for the peapod it's not a look I want for my yachts. But I am capable of drawing something that would suit that look, something on the rugged side. It would take the right client. Like me.

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Don't bother Brent. I think I have it far along now that I can fumble my way through the rest of the process with the builder. He has a good handling on scantlings and is looking for inventory now. Thanks anyway.

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This is coming along.
Bow shot, stern shot.
That twist in the bottom plate at the bow can be extremely hard to control distortion in. The edges want to be longer than the middle in such a shape, just like a clipper bow. Conic ends eliminate that problem.

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Brent:
Yep, I think it will be a bit tippy but I have rowed shells and wherries and I know tippy. I think there may be more flare to the topsides than it appears in that view.
I have been struggling with the seat height. But considering your experience I'll keep it low. Right now it's 10" high off the bottom of the skiff. What do you think? Too high?

Jeff:
It's odd but when you develop a hull like this you don't really have what you and I call a lines drawing. But I can make one. Give me some time to sort out the actual shape then I'll chop it up into the conventiional views.

I'll think about your side deck suggestion. I'm loathe to make changes that would add weight.

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I changed the name to the PERRY PEENER PEAPOD.
10 inches is way too high for a seat. No reason for it to be that high.
You can expand the edges of the twisted bow plate by peening the edges with a ball peen hammer on a heavy piece of plate. Using a nibbler for cutting also does it, to some extent.

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