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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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Brent, instead of cross-checking the above against your other posts in the BSMP - how about we just focus on the Ballpeen Fifteen? I'm thinking you could get a lot out of being part of it.
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I've been trying to grasp how that would fold up without having virtually full length chines. I wasn't expecting the darts to be anywhere near that long.
Nor was I. No need for the chines to be that long.

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If we go with the heavier plate and that's all we can get in 5052, then the hull will be closer to 100 lbs. and I estimate another 35 lbs. for the seats and seat frames, side deck, outrigger for the oars, breast hook and fanny hook. I have not estimated the weight of the backbone yet. But I have already used some ideas to reduce seat and seat framing weight and I did not include those weight savings tricks in my weights here. I was trying to be conservative.

Then there is the weight of the oars and rowlocks. Me, 225 lbs., Violet 25 lbs., Ruby 50 lbs.. I am looking right now at designing to a dwl load displ of 500 lb..

I am not figuring on a sailing rig but it could be done. It would probably almost double the cost. I'm talking to Jim Betts about building it and he should have a cost in a few days.

That hull image is a rough cut,i.e. a first try at working within the confines of the geometric process for the origami method. Changes will certainly come. It can only get better.
Seats, decks, breast hooks, etc. can all be made out of 16 gauge ,very light. Most 16 foot runabouts are entirely made out of 16 gauge.

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These questions couldn't be left unanswered.
Okay - then answer them. You're just doing the same old thing.


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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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How about 8 gauge and minimal internal bracing?

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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Can you weld 16 ga.? Most of those light gauge boats seem to be riveted.


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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Bob, I am in lust. The bow and the flare on the gunnels. I cant get the hull out of my mind. It is beautiful. I can't imagine anyone not wanting to the point of trading off thier wife for the finished boat.

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

You can weld most anything with the right person and equipment as the new machines have so MANY features to control the arc

The Bicycle steel i work with has .027 wall on the ends for welding and and is .015 in the middle for light weight

The question becomes is that the best way

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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Me too. The builder wants one too.

I will work out the details with the builder. He is very good. He built WHITE EAGLE, my 63'er and he is a true artist in alu. His concern now is that the ends might "banana up" and he does not want to wreck my lovely sheer.

I have no intention of reducing chine length only to lose control over the shape I want. I may have to step back after we build a boat and rethink some things but for now I like what I have and I'll leave it to a skilled builder to make my idea work. Or not.

No worries Brent. You just go back to cruising, You sound a bit stressed out as usual. Maybe more cruising will help. Maybe a nice long walk on the beach.

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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Thanks for all the feedback.
I'm not sure we're in the market for a newly built vessel - our budget is more aligned with 10- 20 year old boats.
I'm a novice welder and would like to find something that needs major TLC and new systems so I could put it together before heading out.
Weight and therefore slowness is something I thought might be an issue. We are shopping for something in the 40 to 45 foot range, so maybe the advice PCP gives about aluminium deserves a closer look - where could we find info about the French boats? I always thought aluminum was too expensive.
Center cockpit and aft cabin are also something that appeals to us. Cutter or Ketch both could work. The design of the Stevens 47 or the 44 Kelley Peterson, or even Ted Brewer's Whitby 42 are ones that I've liked. Any of those in steel out there?
Thanks again for all the feedback.
aluminum has its problems and is harder to repair than steel. There is always scrap steel laying around but not often marine grade aluminum. Aluminum is only one point less noble than zinc so electrolysis can be a real issue. I like glass steel over Al for a saltwater boat
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