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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Marty:
Many thanks for that. BINGO was designed for light air.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

She has been a pita from my standpoint with the light winds for foulweather bluff we've had the last few years. As have the t-birds and a few others. Get winds above 10-15, I leave them behind. My 6500 lb wt seems to help here. I have the SA, but boat was built for 10-15 in Europe. i guess I need the lake rig. Which would be 5' taller! I still like my little boat!

I think I have driven by betts in Anacortes on my way to a place next door, along with MSC, and a rigger a few blocks north. There should be a marina repair or two near there two that I have been too.

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

I like the look with the deck sections and keel
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Jeff did an amazing job of sorting out the pros and cons of this thread…I’d like to make an attempt to sort out the thread drift part…Sort the philosophy from the school yard stuff…I see this forum composed of three groups… the 7 figure people don’t seem to be present so that leaves the 6 figure people, the 4 and 5 figure people and probably the largest group would be the dreamers who are silently lurking and trying to learn what they can before jumping in to sailing and owning…
There is a lot of comment and advice given about the high cost of sailing and a lot of fear spreading about the dangers…there are a few voices with practical help…
I don’t see Brent as a ( Eco-warrior ) save the planet type…He is well aware that the planet looks after itself …it covered the Egyptians with sand and the Mayans and Incas with jungle…What he is doing is telling the dreamers that it is possible to enjoy the world while they can and to cause the least possible damage …
He says and has proven it by living it that a lot of money isn’t needed to become a sailor but that you have to strike a balance between Form and Function with most of the weight on the Function … If your priority is Form you become a ( Marina Queen) (his term ) and yes it is expensive…His main objective seems to be to offer a practical alternative to the dreamers and not to convince the established sailors that his is the right way or the only way…From his experience he advises that there are dangers and that some of them can be minimized …one way is a steel boat… that if you go up on a reef or lee shore, and none of us are immune to this, a wood boat or a Tupperware one will last less then an hour…He doesn’t say that his boats are better but that the frameless method gives advantages…similar to the strength that an eggshell has…He sells his plans cheap and lives simply…
I have a lot of respect for Bob… He fills a need … there are a lot of people that wouldn’t be sailing if he didn’t make pretty boats…and I personally enjoy looking at any form of art work…I like that he isn’t stuck in the Form mode… he changes and adapts…this latest project the emphasis is on Function, the ability to be drug over the rocks and the weight factor…He is balancing this with the Form it is better if it looks good and he is using the origami method…

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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A thought for your aluminum welder, perhaps before or after bending use a rosebud
to stress relieve the aluminum? I am no master welder just a wierd thinker.
I'd keep the heat away from aluminium . Too unpredictable . With steel it can be used , carefully.
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I'd keep the heat away from aluminium . Too unpredictable . With steel it can be used , carefully.
yep, aluminum once annealed gets pretty soft steel is much better in this respect
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Heat? That's why I will go with Betts for the build. He's built a lot of alu race boats. He is truly a sculpter with alu. Take a look at the bowsprit on WILD HORSES if you ever get close.
We also have another alu work boat builder now interested in a "license". I was trying to do this for fun but damn it someone is going to turn it into biddness. I smell royalties.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Far out, I see Peapods everywhere! Almost nothing would make me happier than to see a whaleboat in every slip.
Now all i need to do is to find a fiberglass boat that pretty that I can afford (27-34 ft,).
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Boy Desert, you are sure easily entertained.
My kind of guy.
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