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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Golly, you guys make yacht design so complicated.
I put on some nice music and I draw a boat. Over and over it seems to work. But I don't work in a vacuum.

You have to take a wholistic approach. See the boat. Be the boat In a Chevy Chase voice). Kim's got it. Jeff takes the surgical approach. "I could remove the spleen but then I'd have to,,,,," No if you remove the spleen you are spleenless.

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6" deck beams? 6" by what? Molded? Sided? On what centers? This is some mammoth vessel you are describing.

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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you cant take a cutting torch to wood, cut out a piece then weld in another like you can with steel.
Thankfully.. All you need is a Fein, boat nails and another piece of wood.

I can't think of anything in boat-repair much more difficult than patching a hole with plate steel. It looks simple enough to an onlooker, but I've seen even professional welders (cheap ones, I might add) stuff it up totally by not allowing for weld stress and heating.


EDIT: Thinking about this, in theory you might be able to cut wood with a plasma cutter. Dunno.. I'm not silly enough to try it. It's always easier to use the right tools for the job at hand.

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Bob ,Thane is a modified Spray, 40 lodeck 22ton .all yellow cedar, frames 4x4 laminated on 18 inch centers and deck beams 6x6 on 24", planking is 2x2 strip yellow cedar. Fairly stout and CSI for 18 passengers. See her on you tube Thane sail past. I've taught welding at tech school so building in steel (origami) wouldn't be a problem but there is something about a woodie that brings in 6 figures a summer so I don't have to exert myself.
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"but there is something about a woodie that brings in 6 figures a summer so I don't have to exert myself. "

So, let me get this correct, you are saying you run a whorehouse out of your boat?
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Actually, I've done that as we followed the herring fleet. Interesting charter. but now I'm the (commercial link). Legit and easier.and more satisfied customers.

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Back to steel construction... I can think of at least two incidences where poor welding caused the sinking of the vessel. One was the Newfoundland ferry from Cape Breton. Dead of winter and the access plate cut during refit for the removal of an engine room generator in the hull was only tacked. Popped out ( or in) and that was that.Another case was the 90 ft?? charter sail built behind Capital Iron .Name escapes me but I distinctly remember the owner hired welders off the street. They fitted hull plating out of bits and cuttings to fill the gaps. Welded on the outside only, no bevel and ground down to look good Of course a piece gave in and she sank in the inside passage. All this to say a constructee is only as good as the constructor. regardless of medium.
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...All this to say a constructee is only as good as the constructor. regardless of medium.
This is exactly right. Which is why typical cruising wannabes without significant welding/fabrication experience should stay away from building their own steel boat. It just makes no sense. They should put their money and time into sailing instead.


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We now have four builders very interested in building the peen pod. This will put me in a position I am not comfortable in. I just produce designs. I don't arrange the build of multiple boats. There has to be some balance point between quality and price. But the latest builder to contact me is very, very good and also close by.
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Design a cool, beautiful boat - everything else just falls into place.

As for Brent, I think his issue with you is that you're just having too much fun.


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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

It's a nice-looking boat, Bob..

It is kind of you to share the process with us.

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