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True. At least you got as far as the bronze age before you started cruising.
Come now Smack - he made it to the IRON age of course.
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Origami steel yacht construction - Page 51 - Boat Design Forums

Here is a link to some intertesting views on Brent's work. It's best to scroll back though the thread to cartch the flavor of the discussion. But I can sum it up,,,ouch!
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Concerning the discussion of the modern design as contributed by JeffH, Perry, and PCP: I have delivered 3 different Tayana 37’s off shore. I’ve also delivered and day sailed an Alajuela 38, an 80+ year old Atkin, Ingrid design. The Alajuela 38 is, without question, the faster, more comfortable sea boat. Yes, the Tayana 37 has all the better numbers; D/L ratio, SA/D, prismatic coefficient, wetted surface, etc. Everything is better, except it is slower. Perry got the shape wrong. As he has done on other designs. Simply designing to the formulas doesn’t do it.
A few months ago, PCP stated some performance data for his New Bavaria 38. The data showed it to be on par with an Atkin 36.
In many of the discussions by JeffH, “motion comfort” of the modern design is touted. In my experience, I have to say “No Way”. The lighter, flatter bottomed boat pounds FAR more than the older, heavier, good designs. This, to the point where many human beings simply can’t take it. What is acceptable for a day sail, during a weather window, is not acceptable for 2000 miles. I believe if Perry and JeffH actually did a little long distance voyaging, they might word their praise of the modern designs a little differently.
For what it is worth, I like the Tayana 37. It is a fine long distance cruising boat. A very viable option. But it is slower than the 80 year old Alajuela 38 design.
Well, I never had a Bavaria 38. My actual boat is faster than anything you are talking about by a huge margin.

The rest seems to me as confused as the confusions about my boat and the data I had posted about it.

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Paulo:
Don't let real facts get in the way of a good debate.

A Bavaria 38 on a performance par with an Atkin 36? Don't know what Atkin 36 he refers to and I don't care. How do you back up that claim? Ridiculous. I love most of the old Atkin designs. But I appreciate them for what they are and not what they aren't.

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Valiant 40? never heard of it but I am going to look it up. What I know comes from rags like latitude 38, the yachtsman, and the forums

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Britt
A word of advise: not to look ridiculous when someone that is a known and reputable boat designer says that a boat is one of the best cruisers ever built, before saying that you don't know the boat, just have a quick look at internet. The wikipedia is a good place for general information. How hard can that be? Then you will know of what is talking about:

"The Valiant 40 was the first boat designed by naval architect Robert Perry, it was introduced in 1973....

The boat's design was considered revolutionary at that time by bringing aspects of racing design into open ocean cruising yachts which up to then meant heavy and slow traditional boats.

The Valiant 40 is credited with birthing the category of the "performance cruiser".

It was the first open-ocean going cruising monohull to have a modified keel designed to reduce weight and wetted surface while increasing speed and ease of propulsion of the hull shape by the wind. ...

The success of several Valiant 40s competing in long ocean races during the early 1980s brought this boat to the notice of the world sailing community. Of special importance was a solo "wrong way" race completed in the Southern Ocean on a Westabout course, sailing into the prevailing winds, using a factory-stock V-40. Many cruising couples have made successful transoceanic voyages and Valiant 40s are reported to turn 160-mile (256 km) days regularly on a passage.

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The Valiant 40 was elected to the American Sailboat Hall of Fame in 1997 and was named Cruising Sailboat of the Decade."



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A word of advise: not to look ridiculous when someone that is a known and reputable boat designer says that a boat is one of the best cruisers ever built, before saying that you don't know the boat, just have a quick look at internet. The wikipedia is a good place for general information. How hard can that be? Then you will know of what is talking about:
Excuse me. I never claimed to be an all knowing reputable boat designer.

But I fully understand what your saying; to admit not being familiar with something makes one look ridiculous. Then you are implying that you and others would never be in that position because you are all knowing, or that you just wouldn't admit that you didn't know something because to do so may damage an inflated ego?...chuckle....
one demeaning remark deserves another

By the way, I've learned much from these discussions and I thank you all very much for that

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