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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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Me? Angry? Are you a shrink? I think not.

No, I'm not angry. I'm not an angry kind of guy. I am energized and passionate about the work l I have spent my life doing. I have strong opinions.

I do not suffer fools. You probably noticed that already.

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I designed the Tayana 37 when I was 27 yeats old. To me it is is an antique with antique performance. Not a bad boat considering it was designed by a kid. Not sure why you insist on using it as a benchmark. I sure as hell do not.

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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If you pm me I'd be happy to send you the entire polar plot with table for the FRANCIS LEE. I think you would be very surprised. You seem to be interested in these technical elements.

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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Burt:
Me? Angry? Are you a shrink? I think not.

No, I'm not angry. I'm not an angry kind of guy. I am energized and passionate about the work l I have spent my life doing. I have strong opinions.

I do not suffer fools. You probably noticed that already.

My work?
The results speak for themselves. Can't alter that. It's history. I'd apologize but I like the way it worked out.

I designed the Tayana 37 when I was 27 yeats old. To me it is is an antique with antique performance. Not a bad boat considering it was designed by a kid. Not sure why you insist on using it as a benchmark. I sure as hell do not.
Must be a bit of alzheimer's creeping in there Bob. I have not mentioned the Tayana 37
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

No, just got you confused with Oregon. Hard to tell you two apart sometimes.

Dos this look like alzehiemers?
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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Here is a link to some intertesting views on Brent's work. It's best to scroll back though the thread to cartch the flavor of the discussion. But I can sum it up,,,ouch!
My critics there were an interesting collection .,only one of whom had ever built or cruised in a steel boat, and only very limited coastal cruising at that. One was a cowboy ( "Never built a steel boat , but I welded up a lot of steel fencepost so I know a lot about steel boat building"). Another was building his first steel boat, an abortion, so he became an instant expert, claiming to know more about steel boat building than some one who had built dozens. He will discover the true skill of his designer when he first sits down on his setee and the side deck whacks him in the back of the head( on a 38 footer!) Many of my clients have upgraded form that design which all have considered a huge improvement.
Anyone backing me up on that site, including Coast Guard, were all attacked and accused of being me under an alias. Some instantly began receiving threatening emails. Dudly Dix was briefly on that site. He sent me an email saying he was attacked and threatened for having something nice to say about Ganley designs.
The attacks on me became racist, and one white South African stated he was " A racist and proud of it." He also posted on that site a that all torch cuts must be thoroughly ground, then posted on another site that "A good cut needs no grinding."
Another claiming to be a naval architect stated that shape has no effect on stiffness. ( A square submarine pressure hull, or a square propane bottle is just as strong as a round one? Ya sure) He also claimed that 13 inches of 3/16th plate is not as strong as three 5/16th inch shrouds, and that which has worked for decades without failure , just may fail in its first 4 hours.
Another ,very childish individual claimed that the 1.08 million pounds of tensile strength hi holding the inside of each of my twin keels on was irrelevant. He tried to take his arguments to the origamiboats site, and was quickly laughed off the stage.

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Can't say they thought highly of you either Brent. They were brutal. Your rebutals are very predictable by now. Same old theme.

175 degrees pos Rm? That was funny. Confusing VCB and VCG, that was even funnier.

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Look Bob, let's be clear. Brent's a builder. Plain and simple. Sure, he's drawn some basic pictures of the tops and sides of a couple of his boats - and he sells those drawings so people can hang them on their walls - but he's no designer. I'm pretty sure he's never claimed to be.

Holding him to that high standard is supremely unfair.


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Yeah, I saw some of his drawings on that designer's site. Some guy there dug them up and posted them when he wouldn't. I'll just stay quiet on the quality of his design work. Can't be attacked for what I don't say.

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I don't know how to do that private chat thing. I'm stupid.

Yes, I will be at CSR at 9:15 am tomorrow. Would you like to meet up there? Kim will be there. There could be some big excitement going on but I'll say no more.

Say no more.

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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I'm pretty sure he's never claimed to be.

Holding him to that high standard is supremely unfair.
Ok, sometimes sarcasm doesn't work online. Are you being ironic here Smack? I mean this is Brent's signature after all. I think he thinks he represents himself as a designer.

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