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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Well it has long since departed from the original OP topic, hasn't it?

I'd think a Sliver thread would be well received, and it would seem the steel debate has run its course. As entertaining as the BrentBash has been, it too has perhaps run its time (jmo)

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

The thread is called "pros and cons". Considering the "pros" included attacking any grp boat, their owner, their designer and in a new SN low, eventually one designer's wife, it seemed fitting to me to represent the "cons" side. Somebody had to.

I did not start the attack. I simply chose to defend grp boats and their owners. I owe my livelyhood to those people. Then the attacks got very personal. That was bizarre and had zero to do with yachts and yacht building or design. I came here to talk about boats. Simple as that.

Do what you like with the thread. On other threads the quality of posts is high and the mood congenial. I like that. I can do that.

But if there is more BS attacks posted count on it. I will go on the counter attack.

I do not see the "argument". Almost all of us just like all kinds of boats. Isn't that good enough?
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

If you want I can start a Sliver thread on it's own.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

As was has been famously said:

“Believe me, my young friend, there is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats.”
― Kenneth Grahame, The Wind in the Willows

I would love to see how BP projects go. What is happening to the PerryPeaPod? Any update on that wonderfull looking 61 foot that PS is building?

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

I think it would be great if Bob would start a Sliver thread.
I also agree with Bob that Brent's attacks were out of line, and that it was appropriate of Bob to answer them.

It's unfortunate that Brent has tarnished his reputation in that manner on this and other forums. I think he has useful information to share.

I hope Bob starts other threads. I also hope that Brent contributes in a helpful manner when it is appropriate.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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Almost all of us just like all kinds of boats. Isn't that good enough?
^^^This.

What almost all of us DON'T like is some pompously deluded dude who bashes everything but HIS OWN type of boat and HIS WAYS of thinking. That kind of stupidity always deserves a good smacking.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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Give me some feedback here.

Do we close this thread (it will still be visible but read only) and start a couple of new ones, one to cover steel boats and another on general ... or does Paulo's Interesting thread already cover general boat design ?

I think there are plenty of us here that are well interested in seeing how BP's projects are progressing.

Thoughts ?
No, I do not cover steel boats on my thread. There are a small market for them and some designers that are specialized on them. I think it would be interesting to have a thread only about steel boats. I will be glad to contribute.

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Bob ... please yes start a Sliver thread and if you like a PS thread as well.

Hey has Paul's (Nessun Dorma) boat been named yet ?

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Don't close it. There's no reason to.

It's a very valuable conversation and has generated a tremendous amount of interest. Some might view the squabbles herein as pure personality issues - but they're not. Not by any means. The conversation really has been about the material of steel and the extending mindset of that approach (origami, fear, self-sufficiency, etc.) from the beginning. So I don't even see this thread as drifting off its original topic for the most part (spousal abuse notwithstanding).

As for the pros and cons of steel, I feel pretty comfortable that most of Brent's ludicrous claims have been countered very well in this thread. He can't hide anymore - because his own words have done him in.

Apart from that BS, steel as a boat material choice (whether building or buying) has been shown to be just another option with its pros and cons by some very capable yacht designers such as Bob, Jeff, and others. This is very, very productive.

Now that the crap is cleaned up, it's up to interested parties to join the conversation and bring new questions and perspectives. Closing the thread would kill this for no good reason.

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Let it go We fought this hard to have it "cleaned up"?. Thread hijacking is fun. It is the way people talk. Why can't we talk about a lot of boats here?

We could change the thread name to "boat talk". That covers it.
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