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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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Damn it!
It's Friday night and I miss Brent.
yeah,. I come home from a long day driving.........edmonds to seattle, into a van, to tacoma, bremerton PT, PA,, poulsbo and Bainbridge to seattle, Home to edmonds. Spouse is no where to be found, nor is mr winston to sit on my lap! cats are here.

Yes, a race tomorrow, but david is going out on a 1d tomorrow, probably will not be a lot o winds, but enough.........

oh yeah, I'm a blinken year older at 1358 today!

So what wa/is good about today?!?!?!?! oh yeah....as the kool aid man come bashing out of a wall.......I woke up! hopefully I wake up tomorrow too eh!!

Bob, are you doing the race your house race tomorrow? could be a sloow one, altho not as slow as foulweather bluff a couple of weeks ago.

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My critics there were an interesting collection .,only one of whom had ever built or cruised in a steel boat, and only very limited coastal cruising at that. One was a cowboy ( "Never built a steel boat , but I welded up a lot of steel fencepost so I know a lot about steel boat building"). Another was building his first steel boat, an abortion, so he became an instant expert, claiming to know more about steel boat building than some one who had built dozens. He will discover the true skill of his designer when he first sits down on his setee and the side deck whacks him in the back of the head( on a 38 footer!) Many of my clients have upgraded form that design which all have considered a huge improvement.
Anyone backing me up on that site, including Coast Guard, were all attacked and accused of being me under an alias. Some instantly began receiving threatening emails. Dudly Dix was briefly on that site. He sent me an email saying he was attacked and threatened for having something nice to say about Ganley designs.
The attacks on me became racist, and one white South African stated he was " A racist and proud of it." He also posted on that site a that all torch cuts must be thoroughly ground, then posted on another site that "A good cut needs no grinding."
Another claiming to be a naval architect stated that shape has no effect on stiffness. ( A square submarine pressure hull, or a square propane bottle is just as strong as a round one? Ya sure) He also claimed that 13 inches of 3/16th plate is not as strong as three 5/16th inch shrouds, and that which has worked for decades without failure , just may fail in its first 4 hours.
Another ,very childish individual claimed that the 1.08 million pounds of tensile strength hi holding the inside of each of my twin keels on was irrelevant. He tried to take his arguments to the origamiboats site, and was quickly laughed off the stage.
Sad to see so much downright dishonesty. Hard to imagine that someone could expect that it would go unnoticed. And all about info that's on public record which is a bit dumb.

I'm the one Brent refers to as "claiming to be a Naval Architect"
I'm a PEng who works as a prof marine engineer. The anecdote above attributed to me is typical of Brent. It's also a complete distortion. I didn't make the claim about a square pressure hull. Nor anything about "13 inches of steel plate......." In fact what usually happens is that Brent makes it up something silly, attributes it someone, posts several times that they said it, then goes on to quote it on another forum.

Wynand the boilermaker and professional steel boatbuilder, who built such great examples of Dudly Dix's designs, didn't say he was a racist and proud of it. That's a bit of a sick statement. Nor were there any racist attacks on Brent. Everyone on BDnet treated him fairly, he just made a complete fool of himself. Again and Again. I like the one about the coastguard backing you (Brent) on that site, and then being attacked, that's getting creative beyond even a hint of distorted truth.

Nothing Brent posts can be taken as reality without checking the facts first but I guess everyone knows that by now. I think this spiel of Brent's will make a few people angry since it's quite objectionable.

PS, Sorry my first post is a bit of a rant

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Nothing Brent posts can be taken as reality without checking the facts first but I guess everyone knows that by now. I think this spiel of Brent's will make a few people angry since it's quite objectionable.
As one of the other participants on bd.net, I'd have to say I'm more amused than anything else.

One of the things I've had a wonderful laugh about at Brent's expense is his utterly ludicrous claim that his steel 31' sailboat can break through 5" thick ice.

Only if dropped from a substantial height....

Brent is a fantasist who actually seems to believe his own BS. He stopped posting on bd.net because nobody was accepting his stories for fact. It's all on record over there. The tissue of outright lies & distortions Mike quotes above is just a small example of the crap Brent has posted in the past, got shot down in flames and then re-posted somewhere else. He's incapable of learning anything new or accepting that he may not always be right.

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Welcome to Sailnet gentlemen.

Just when I thought this thread had given all it had to give.

Brent is a real cruiser. A cruiser's cruiser, very very busy cruising. While we wait for him to float his boat off a reef, find some wifi and come and again dazzle us here I have gone to effort of whipping up some refreshments.

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"In fact what usually happens is that Brent makes it up something silly, attributes it someone, posts several times that they said it, then goes on to quote it on another forum. "

Yes, Mike. I noticed that. When the real facts don't work Brent likes to make some up.

But with all of that he is passionate about his boats and he can be entertaining. When he isn't being insulting.

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Marty:
Not doing Race Your House this year. Wasn't invited back. I think Trickpig and I scared them a bit last year. But we had some serious fun.

Just got a new custom boat job that will be announced soon on Crusing Anerchy by the client. He's a regular there with a very, very nice current boat but he has an desire to do a custom boat. So today I'll listen to the opera on CBC2, The PEARL FISHERS, sit at my computer and stare at the spider in the corner of my window and see if it does any better than I did fishing this morning. I'll be thinking hard about the new design.

Can't say it will be a very exciting day. But I'll endeavour to make it a good day.

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

OK, Bob.. So I design stuff too. I design factory automation systems, both hardware and software, from initial concept, right through to installation and debug.

(I'm not saying it's the same as designing boats, but these projects can run on for a year or more, so they do get pretty complex)

Personally, I find it the most enjoyable after I have gotten an initial concept sketched out, and start doing the design of actual components and system.

I find the development of initial concepts less enjoyable than subsequent stages. I'm not so happy until I have something down that I am pretty sure will work. Once I do, though, it's usually a lot of fun.

What stage of the design process do you enjoy the most?

(I know it's pretty early for essay questions, but I'd be real interested... Besides, I'm stuck in the fog right now anyway. It's either this or go back to work)

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I think I am the opposite of you. I like flying through the initial preliminary design phase where all options are investigated and the design slowly begins to take shape.

However, like right now, today, the thought of having to put down the first lines of a new design is daunting because I know they will be wrong. This client has very high aesthetic goals for the boat. He has told me that the primary goal is in his words "row away factor". I can do it but I am very hard on myself in this stage of the design. I always want perfect and I never get perfect. But being very familiar with the client's current boat will help me get started.

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Thanks, Bob..

I really like my present boat, but for me, it has a low "row-away factor". Maybe the next boat. It would be nice...

I'm headed to work, it looks like, where I am going to do some grunt work.

Good luck. Looks like we will sail tomorrow. You are welcome to come.

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