Pros and cons of steel sailboats - Page 181 - SailNet Community
 1723Likes
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #1801 of 5317 Old 10-20-2013
Last Man Standing
 
smackdaddy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 14,354
Thanks: 147
Thanked 131 Times in 124 Posts
Rep Power: 9
     
Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Quote:
Originally Posted by PCP View Post
In what regards steel boats I like some of Ed Rutherford designs. Expensive boats but certainly very strong ones and not that slow, specially the big ones.



Project Gallery >> Designers and builder's of fine metal boats >> Waterline Yachts

http://www.waterline-yachts.com/down...ingJul2004.pdf
Now that's a beautiful steel boat. So it can be done.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

S/V Dawn Treader - 1989 Hunter Legend 40
smackdaddy is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #1802 of 5317 Old 10-20-2013
tdw
Super Fuzzy Moderator
 
tdw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Sydney Australia
Posts: 16,392
Thanks: 15
Thanked 103 Times in 97 Posts
Rep Power: 10
     
Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Can't say I am all that fond of the look of hard chine boats but having owned one I've come round to multi chines. The slab sideness of the hard chiner does not please my eye, somewhat wonky though it may be. Otoh, I always felt that our steel VDS34 was a better looker than a mate's cold moulded version of the same design. That is said even though I'd have preferred the timber boat to the steel and the timber would blow us out of the water except in a big blow.

Andrew B

“Life is a trick, and you get one chance to learn it.”
― Terry Pratchett, Nation

Malo 39 Classic
tdw is offline  
post #1803 of 5317 Old 10-20-2013
Just another Moderator
 
Faster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: New Westminster, BC
Posts: 16,518
Thanks: 104
Thanked 309 Times in 299 Posts
Rep Power: 10
     
Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Quote:
Originally Posted by PCP View Post
In what regards steel boats I like some of Ed Rutherford designs. Expensive boats but certainly very strong ones and not that slow, specially the big ones.



Project Gallery >> Designers and builder's of fine metal boats >> Waterline Yachts

http://www.waterline-yachts.com/down...ingJul2004.pdf
We met up with that boat in the Broughton Islands/Northern Vancouver Island this past summer.. she's as impressive in the 'flesh'... er.. 'steel'- as in this very good shot. Owner was very pleasant too, we had a nice chat.
rgp likes this.

Ron

1984 Fast/Nicholson 345 "FastForward"

".. there is much you could do at sea with common sense.. and very little you could do without it.."
Capt G E Ericson (from "The Cruel Sea" by Nicholas Monsarrat)
Faster is offline  
post #1804 of 5317 Old 10-20-2013
PCP
Senior Member
 
PCP's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Portugal, West Coast
Posts: 16,201
Thanks: 21
Thanked 103 Times in 86 Posts
Rep Power: 11
 
Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Quote:
Originally Posted by smackdaddy View Post
Now that's a beautiful steel boat. So it can be done.
There is plenty of nice steel boats. That is not the issue but if they are the better option for the type of sailing or cruising one does.

Just to remain with American designers look at this design by Ted Brewer:



I don't find it ugly with its traditional looks.

Ted Brewer has a nice article about steel and Aluminium relative advantages and disadvantages:

Sail Far Live Free - Sailboats, Sailing News, and Gear: The Metal Yacht - Aluminum & Steel Sailboat Perspectives

and from an European designer (Andre Hoek ) this one does not look bad either



http://www.nauticexpo.com/prod/jonge...88-323838.html


Regards

Paulo
smackdaddy and SloopJonB like this.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Last edited by PCP; 10-20-2013 at 08:25 PM.
PCP is offline  
post #1805 of 5317 Old 10-20-2013
Senior Member
 
blt2ski's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 6,862
Thanks: 0
Thanked 26 Times in 25 Posts
Rep Power: 11
 
Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

One can make a beautiful boat, house, car etc out of ANY material. BUT, one needs a good design and a good builder/people that also have a knack for how to build with said material.

Otherwise as noted by some of the pics, along with the recent on smacky posted. some are fugly, other fantastic. The smackers steelie is beautiful! That BS boat on the outside was very rough, inside, wow! for the one in BC that was/is for sale recently posted.

marty

She drives me boat,
I drives me dinghy!
blt2ski is offline  
post #1806 of 5317 Old 10-20-2013
grumpy old man
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 4,118
Thanks: 1
Thanked 95 Times in 91 Posts
Rep Power: 5
 
Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Yeah, I think we have reached a concensus here. An important one in the the scope of his discussion. I don't think there is an anti steel guy among us. As a group it appears we have a problem with bad design and not the material.

Steel does not mean hard to look at. It can. But there are a lot of grp boats that are hard to look at too. It's all in the design and the execution. But from my perspective it starts with good, techically competant, aesthetically sensitive design.

I'll hoist a cup of Taiwan Oolong tea to that.
blt2ski and smackdaddy like this.

Please visit my blog. It's fun to read.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Bob's Blog ....

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


Please also visit my new web site
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
bobperry is offline  
post #1807 of 5317 Old 10-20-2013
tdw
Super Fuzzy Moderator
 
tdw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Sydney Australia
Posts: 16,392
Thanks: 15
Thanked 103 Times in 97 Posts
Rep Power: 10
     
Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Quote:
Originally Posted by bobperry View Post
Yeah, I think we have reached a concensus here. An important one in the the scope of his discussion. I don't think there is an anti steel guy among us. As a group it appears we have a problem with bad design and not the material.

Steel does not mean hard to look at. It can. But there are a lot of grp boats that are hard to look at too. It's all in the design and the execution. But from my perspective it starts with good, techically competant, aesthetically sensitive design.

I'll hoist a cup of Taiwan Oolong tea to that.
and so will I.

One of my favorites from a book of unattainable dreams ....

Arthur Beiser's Alden ketch "Minots Light".




Andrew B

“Life is a trick, and you get one chance to learn it.”
― Terry Pratchett, Nation

Malo 39 Classic
tdw is offline  
post #1808 of 5317 Old 10-20-2013
Last Man Standing
 
smackdaddy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 14,354
Thanks: 147
Thanked 131 Times in 124 Posts
Rep Power: 9
     
Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Quote:
Originally Posted by PCP View Post
Wow. That's freakin' gorgeous.

So the problem seems to be "settling" for the "workboat aesthetic" in smaller steel boats simply because they don't know how to do anything better?


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

S/V Dawn Treader - 1989 Hunter Legend 40
smackdaddy is offline  
post #1809 of 5317 Old 10-20-2013
Senior Member
 
steve77's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Salem, MA
Posts: 481
Thanks: 3
Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts
Rep Power: 5
 
Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Quote:
Originally Posted by tdw View Post
and so will I.

One of my favorites from a book of unattainable dreams ....

Arthur Beiser's Alden ketch "Minots Light".



I read Beiser's "The Sailor's World" a long time ago and it probably and it was probably the book that got me really interested in sailing. And Minots Light was the boat of my dreams.
steve77 is offline  
post #1810 of 5317 Old 10-21-2013
Picnic Sailor
 
chall03's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Sydney
Posts: 1,753
Thanks: 23
Thanked 26 Times in 22 Posts
Rep Power: 13
 
Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Quote:
Originally Posted by PCP View Post





Well hello there......

Brent - Knock me up one of these puppies and there WILL be a Brentblock hanging from my christmas tree, an 'I heart reefs' bumper sticker slapped on my transom and I will happily tell Perry and his plastic boat salesmen where to stick their toy boats

'Life is either a daring adventure or nothing' - Helen Keller



To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Last edited by chall03; 10-21-2013 at 05:12 AM.
chall03 is offline  
Closed Thread

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the SailNet Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
Please note: After entering 3 characters a list of Usernames already in use will appear and the list will disappear once a valid Username is entered.


User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
C & C 24 pros and cons chuckg Boat Review and Purchase Forum 13 05-20-2015 12:05 AM
Hunter 36 Pros and Cons? turfguy Hunter 15 08-25-2014 05:08 PM
Pros and Cons of Catalina 350?? turfguy C350 6 10-16-2009 05:17 PM
Watermakers—Pros and Cons Tom Wood Cruising Articles 0 06-11-2002 08:00 PM
Steel Hulls—Pros and Cons Sue & Larry Buying a Boat Articles 0 09-12-2001 08:00 PM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome