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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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In what regards steel boats I like some of Ed Rutherford designs. Expensive boats but certainly very strong ones and not that slow, specially the big ones.



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Now that's a beautiful steel boat. So it can be done.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Can't say I am all that fond of the look of hard chine boats but having owned one I've come round to multi chines. The slab sideness of the hard chiner does not please my eye, somewhat wonky though it may be. Otoh, I always felt that our steel VDS34 was a better looker than a mate's cold moulded version of the same design. That is said even though I'd have preferred the timber boat to the steel and the timber would blow us out of the water except in a big blow.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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In what regards steel boats I like some of Ed Rutherford designs. Expensive boats but certainly very strong ones and not that slow, specially the big ones.



Project Gallery >> Designers and builder's of fine metal boats >> Waterline Yachts

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We met up with that boat in the Broughton Islands/Northern Vancouver Island this past summer.. she's as impressive in the 'flesh'... er.. 'steel'- as in this very good shot. Owner was very pleasant too, we had a nice chat.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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Now that's a beautiful steel boat. So it can be done.
There is plenty of nice steel boats. That is not the issue but if they are the better option for the type of sailing or cruising one does.

Just to remain with American designers look at this design by Ted Brewer:



I don't find it ugly with its traditional looks.

Ted Brewer has a nice article about steel and Aluminium relative advantages and disadvantages:

Sail Far Live Free - Sailboats, Sailing News, and Gear: The Metal Yacht - Aluminum & Steel Sailboat Perspectives

and from an European designer (Andre Hoek ) this one does not look bad either



http://www.nauticexpo.com/prod/jonge...88-323838.html


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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

One can make a beautiful boat, house, car etc out of ANY material. BUT, one needs a good design and a good builder/people that also have a knack for how to build with said material.

Otherwise as noted by some of the pics, along with the recent on smacky posted. some are fugly, other fantastic. The smackers steelie is beautiful! That BS boat on the outside was very rough, inside, wow! for the one in BC that was/is for sale recently posted.

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Yeah, I think we have reached a concensus here. An important one in the the scope of his discussion. I don't think there is an anti steel guy among us. As a group it appears we have a problem with bad design and not the material.

Steel does not mean hard to look at. It can. But there are a lot of grp boats that are hard to look at too. It's all in the design and the execution. But from my perspective it starts with good, techically competant, aesthetically sensitive design.

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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Yeah, I think we have reached a concensus here. An important one in the the scope of his discussion. I don't think there is an anti steel guy among us. As a group it appears we have a problem with bad design and not the material.

Steel does not mean hard to look at. It can. But there are a lot of grp boats that are hard to look at too. It's all in the design and the execution. But from my perspective it starts with good, techically competant, aesthetically sensitive design.

I'll hoist a cup of Taiwan Oolong tea to that.
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Wow. That's freakin' gorgeous.

So the problem seems to be "settling" for the "workboat aesthetic" in smaller steel boats simply because they don't know how to do anything better?
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and so will I.

One of my favorites from a book of unattainable dreams ....

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I read Beiser's "The Sailor's World" a long time ago and it probably and it was probably the book that got me really interested in sailing. And Minots Light was the boat of my dreams.
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