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Bought my boat through anchor yachts.he also is dealer for waterline in New England . The waterlines are drop dead gorgeous but unfortunately too dear for my wallet. There is no reason a metal boat need be ugly.look forward to M.Tautons input.always loved his inventiveness .
Apart from mine, Waterlines are the only well built steel boats in BC, apart from home built boats . They are extremely well built, and fair ,before the paint goes on. Its been decades since I have seen any smaller waterlines built. Most newer ones are huge.They have progressed a lot, eliminating wood for stainless trim, a huge improvement.
However ,for a boat the size of my 36 ,I understand they want over a quarter million dollars .All of mine get built for a fraction that amount. Steve on Silas Crosby talked to Waterline first , got a quote ,then gave me a call, and we got started .Steve, after cruising the BC coast for many years , then to Mexico , Hawaii and back to BC, then to Cape Horn then the Aleutians and back to BC , is extremely happy with his choice.
Used Waterlines , much lower priced than new ones, can be a good deal.
Waterline side decks on 35 footers can be a bit narrow ,but I'm sure they would build them wider, on request.

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats ??QUESTION??

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SLIPPERY!! This morning at 27° F. there is glaze ice on the side decks of my boat, everywhere actually. FRP is slippery!!! Only carefully keeping the edge of my foot planted against the toe rail kept me from falling overboard. A little pitch is necessary to drain the water, but it wants to pitch me off the boat this AM. Zippo traction.

While it is obvious that steel is stronger than FRP or wood for hitting ice floes, and preferred for high latitudes, it seems it would also ice up quicker and hold it longer.

??How is this handled on a small steel boat?? Not a big ship, but a personal cruising type sailboat. Wearing cleats won't help much on steel.

I've never been on a small steel boat, so I have no idea.

By the way, I never expect to own a steel boat, but this thread is quite interesting.
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Crampons don't hurt steel.



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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats ??QUESTION??

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??QUESTION??

SLIPPERY!! This morning at 27° F. there is glaze ice on the side decks of my boat, everywhere actually. FRP is slippery!!! Only carefully keeping the edge of my foot planted against the toe rail kept me from falling overboard. A little pitch is necessary to drain the water, but it wants to pitch me off the boat this AM. Zippo traction.

While it is obvious that steel is stronger than FRP or wood for hitting ice floes, and preferred for high latitudes, it seems it would also ice up quicker and hold it longer.

??How is this handled on a small steel boat?? Not a big ship, but a personal cruising type sailboat. Wearing cleats won't help much on steel.

I've never been on a small steel boat, so I have no idea.

By the way, I never expect to own a steel boat, but this thread is quite interesting.
On any boat, 34 inch high solid lifelines, help a lot, giving you something solid, at waist height , to hold onto, as do 24 inch wide side decks ,which enable you to remain upright, giving you better balance.
Springy, knee high trip wires you see on most stock boats, with side decks so narrow you have to do gymnastics to go forward, don't help much

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I took a look at the Wills site - she looks nicely done but is hardly more than a "wet kit" - for nearly 1/2 $mil.
She is anything but a wet kit, has been finished for years . A fortune was spent on her at Ocean Pacific in the last year or two, including that super mirror finish paint job.

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It seems that you two finally agree on something and it is a thing that many, I would say less informed, members, would tend not to agree, I mean that a long keel boat is not necessarily more stable than a fin keel boat. Me and Jeff are also saying that for a long time.

I hope this settles the question, unless it is needed Tanton to say the same for you all to be convinced and put an end to that unsubstantiated dogma.

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I will always agree with Bob, or anyone else, when they get it right, and disagree when they get it wrong. I always have and always will.
I think that's very fair. That's what we all do...disagree when someone gets it wrong. The key is to do it with as much fact as possible - not just opinion. This thread is a great example of that.

I'm psyched that M. Tanton is here. I'm really looking forward to hearing his thoughts on all this. It's turned into a fantastic thread.


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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

It's kinda hard for someone with zero steel boat experience and almost zero long term cruising or steel boat maintenance experience, to have much to offer in the way of "facts". It's also hard to believe any "Facts " presented by someone who makes up a random number for how many boats a builder has built , then claims its a more accurate number than the builder gives, or who takes a comment from a discussion of religion, and posts it as a comment about steel boats. One would be extremely unwise to consider ANYTHING from such a source as "Facts."

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There you go off getting angry again Brent. Calm down. Everything will be fine.

Would you please post some photos of your 34" high solid life "lines"? I'd like to see how they look. I know you have problems posting pics but give it a shot it's not that hard. I can almost do it.

I'm working hard on my new 46'er. It will not have solid pipe lifelines 34" high. But I'd like to see how Brent does it and achieves a yacht quaility aesthetic.

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Crampons don't hurt steel.

But they may scratch it. How would you remove the scratches?
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