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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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At that price it will be there at least another three years. The design credit is confusing. They list an Italian designer then say it's a sister ship to the McCleer and Harris boat.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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I've been looking at that boat in Comox every August wondering what it's story was.. From the listing it's not a BS boat.

Custom 58 ft. off shore - 1984 Used Boats For Sale | Comox, British Columbia

Indeed a very fine finish and lots of good gear, though the entire rig looks cobbled together from aluminum pipe, certainly not any kind of usual mast section. As Sloop's and the listing pics indicate she's barely roughed in below. She's been there for at least 3 years now..
That is a very expensive boat for the kind of boat that is (steel and not made by a known and reputable shipyard, old). Don't think that it will sell for half that price.

Look at some others and the price:

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Steel Schooner Colvin-designed Pinky Schooner Boats for Sale

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I agree with you Paulo. It's a shame.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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"I can see the attraction for yacht builders. Those things are a cost cutting tool to get the customer to texture their own decks saving build money for the grog fund "

I don't get it. Are you talking about my huge feet. I was a very good swimmer.
I wouldn't bet on that. If your such a good swimmer why would you ever need a sailboat?.....or was it cause you found yourself spending lots of time in the water so had to be a good swimmer ............hummm.....
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I wouldn't bet on that. If your such a good swimmer why would you ever need a sailboat?.....or was it cause you found yourself spending lots of time in the water so had to be a good swimmer ............hummm.....
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I have seen pictures of a Brent boat railing system and while it does NOT meet classic looks

It is a completely practical and SAFE system





My Cal with the 2" X 4 " stanchion bases and most other good looking boats leave the factory with lifeline systems that fail all the time because of tiny stanchion bases

In general most owners have a fit if someone even touches the stanchion while there docking because there afraid there going to break
"Classic looks" and "Good Seamanship" are often polar opposites. Even with classically flimsy "Classic Look" bases , putting on a solid top rail supports the stanchion from both ends, drastically reducing loads and movement on the bases, reducing the odds of them leaking or breaking.
I have never wanted to see my boat sailing away from me in mid ocean, for the sake of her looking "Classic " in the process. Advocating such priorities is advocating bad seamanship.
I wouldn't want to work for anyone that dense.
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There you go off getting angry again Brent. Calm down. Everything will be fine.

Would you please post some photos of your 34" high solid life "lines"? I'd like to see how they look. I know you have problems posting pics but give it a shot it's not that hard. I can almost do it.

I'm working hard on my new 46'er. It will not have solid pipe lifelines 34" high. But I'd like to see how Brent does it and achieves a yacht quaility aesthetic.
Remind me in a couple of weeks when I get back to town. Or you can see them on the origamiboats site, in the photos section. They are not all that visible or obtrusive. You barely notice them from even a very short distance.
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She may be "finished" to your standards Brent but I doubt many of the people here would regard anything but the outside as being finished. That interior barely qualifies as roughed in (to the rest of us).
I never had a look inside since the refit. Doesn't look spray foamed . Too bad.
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I think these solid pipe lifelines may be a part of the gross tonnage rule. If 34" is good. Why isn't 44" even better?

Mine goes to 11.
34 inches is easy to climb over, but close enough to your centre of gravity to give you a huge and realistic sense of security. 44 inches is extremely hard to climb over. At deep sea, I run a high rope lifeline, about chest height, from my aft canopy to the shrouds then down to the bow pulpit. There, it is never in the way. I take it down in port.
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Kind of makes you wonder what the definition of "yacht" is. I will grant you that it is a boat. I think Brent designs boats certainly not yachts..

Not a bad looking cabin trunk though. The cockpit is a bit wanky with no well and everyone exposed. Maybe that's the way BS likes them. This type of outcome is just what I would expect when you sell inadequate plans very cheaply to people with no comprehension of what it will cost to actually finish their "boat". You can't sail "the philosophy". You can't go anywhere on a dream. I don't give a rats' ass how high your life lines are. And when you are done and the dream disintegrates you are left with a boat you can't sell. Nobody wants it at any price. It's a child that only the mother can love. It's pretty damn sad.
I had nothing to do with this design.It was a Maclear and Harris design.
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