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Thought this might be of interest to the followers of this thread. It seems the Swain 36 "Silas Crosby" is for sale. It certainly looks like a nice boat:

For Sale: 36' steel sailboat, Cape Horn vet - Cruisers & Sailing Forums
Hell of a deal. She has been thoroughly flame sprayed with hot zinc, meaning minimal maintenance . She certainly doesn't loo0kj like a boat which just came back from such a voyage. In fact she looks like she has barely cruised at all.
He said price is negotiable.
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Ok, here's the deal on ISAF lifeline spacing. I know it doesn't make a lot of sense but don' blame me I didn' write the rules. But I have been studying them for application on the PSC 62' ketch.

Then lifeline spacing is measured from the "working deck". It has nothing to do with the bulwark or the toe rail. So, if you have the lower lifeline 20" above the deck and you have a 4" bulwark or tow rail the ISAF regs still only see the 20". They do not count the
4" height of the bulwark.

It's annoying but it's the way the rule is written.
Yet another example of the many, many ways of how irrational rules can be. Boats should be based on logic , and common sense, not on the whims of those so dense.
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And then, there is this little cute one:





With the hull not far from the ones from Brent (offered in single or twin keels) but with an overall nicer look.





The designer is Tanton, the more recent poster on this thread.
This ones a beauty, based on logic. She is very similar to my own boat. She even has the rudder in the right place.
Windows in the front of that pilot house would make a lot of sense, allowing inside steering, via the trim tab.\
Mine has such inside steering, via trim tab. Works well. Finger light load on the auto helm, below decks, where it belongs
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Hell of a deal. She has been thoroughly flame sprayed with hot zinc, meaning minimal maintenance . She certainly doesn't loo0kj like a boat which just came back from such a voyage. In fact she looks like she has barely cruised at all.
She looks like a very capable boat.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

" in a way that the naïve, production boat market demands. "

Speaking of "dense", what does that have to do with 175 degrees of positive righting moment?

Still waiting for an in depth explanation of that BS.

I don't like ugly, crude boats. When I say "beauty in a workboat" I am talking about a well designed workboat where the elements of the aesthetics are controlled. The PNW is full of great examples.

I like beautiful boats that sail very well and make their owners happy.
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I don't care what the material is. The only excuse for an ugly boat is poor design.

FRANCIS LEE gets her bottom painted.




When FRANCIS LEE goes slding by I think you will say, "That is a very beautiful boat."
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

I think Brent's boats look great, in an expedition ready sort of way... the same as a well setup Mercedes G-wagen or Land Rover expedition vehicle looks good. It looks like something that will survive a serious adventure!

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I like beautiful boats that sail very well and make their owners happy.
That is a beautiful design. I will take two thanks.

Are you certain those lifelines are high enough???
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I am lucky to live in the PNW where we are surrounded by beautiful purpose designed work boats. These include car ferries, tugboats, logging boats, a wide variety of fishing boats and fabulous tug boats. I love work boats. Some can be works of art. The workboat designs of Bill Garden are amazing, purpose driven, art. The tugs of Nickum and Spaulding, the fishing boats of H.C.Hansen are again very beautiful boats. But there are a lot of work boats, purpose built boats, that are butt ugly. Maybe it's just me but I see a big difference in many of the boats in terms of design quality. I like a boat that can get the job done while looking good. Being a robust, stalwart, rugged work boat does not mean you can't be beautiful. I find the Mercedes G-wagon a very handsome car.
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That is a beautiful design. I will take two thanks.

Are you certain those lifelines are high enough???
It's just the angle you're looking from, Chall..

I'd be more concerned by the lack of a mainsheet. Unrestrained, that boom could make a mighty dent in your skull!
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