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I'll go on line today and see if I can Google up a US distributor of those wines. I'll call my local wine shop but I'm skeptical he would have it.
I could only find it here:

Prices in all countries for Cartuxa Pera Manca Tinto, Alentejo, Portugal (all vintages)

http://www.wine-searcher.com/find/ca...ugal/1/usa/-/x

As I said we try to drink it all

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Not distributed where I live, have to use the local wine


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I'll go on line today and see if I can Google up a US distributor of those wines. I'll call my local wine shop but I'm skeptical he would have it.
Does your love of wine explain some of your posts?
Be careful Bob. That stuff can be dangerous. It has screwed up a lot of lives.

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Looks much better here in San Diego where pilothouses and plastic greenhouses on sailboats are pretty non-sensical. As for dainty and fragile, I personally prefer boats that swim well over those capable of amphibious maneuvers.
I have sailed past San Diego many times, about 300 miles off shore is the closest I have ever come to it, and the closest I would ever want to get, in a boat. Friends who have stopped there told me they wish they had done the same. Police states with a total lack of hassle free anchorages are no fun at all.
What some call cold and rain we consider "Tourist repellant" here in BC. Its what stops BC from being like San Diego.

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You still haven't accepted my challenge to allow a freighter to t-bone your boat at cruising speed in rough seas, showing how your boat "would have saved the Sleavin family" (your idiotic words here). So who's the chump that doesn't believe his own bull?

I'd be happy to give you a demolition derby shot at my Hunter. The problem is...you couldn't catch me...because your boat is so, ahm, "strong".
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Are you referring to the way the Sleavin's boat outran that freighter?
Duuhhhh!!!

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Does your love of wine explain some of your posts?
Be careful Bob. That stuff can be dangerous. It has screwed up a lot of lives.
I assume you only drink milk and water?

As that anything to do with you being....like that?

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I wouldn't let the "dainty" look of this design fool you. For starters it's not designed for "bad BC weather" It's a custpm boat for an East Coaster. Can't you read? This will be a very strong boat. See Brent you can't let outward appearences fool you. It's so superficial. You have zero idea of ths boat's scantlings. Yes, it will take quite a bit of upkeep to keep it looking good but my client is well heeled and keeps his current boat Bristol. I suspect he will do the same with this boat. If you are worried about the cost of upkeep I don't think this boat is for you. You could build two BS boats for the cost of the design fee on this one. A lot of time went into the transom corner chocks. It's details like this that I obsess over on custom project where I can control almost everything.


I can draw rugged boats. I'll paste a few if you like. I can do rugged with my eyes closed. But Brent you can't design beautiful if your life depended on it. This level of naval architecture combined with art is beyond your efforts. So quit being jealous. Just enjoy looking at my work and be happy that none of my clients will ever be interested in your work. I am not a threat to you. Chill. Relax. Enjoy.
Nice corner chocks. If they are thru bolted they could possibly be stronger than the line which goes thru them. Now all you have to do is go stainless sq tubing the rest of the way around the boat, such as waterline yachts ended up doing( a huge improvement)
When I was building my first boat, back in my early 20s I was thoroughly impressed by brightwork , back when I was extremely naive , before doing any cruising. Once I started actively cruising and gaining some experience , it dissipated quickly. I have seen the same change in may cruisers, most of them in fact.

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Steve
Are you referring to the way the Sleavin's boat outran that freighter?
Duuhhhh!!!
No, Brent. I'm referring to your claim that your boat could have taken the same impact that the Sleavins suffered without significant damage...that "your boat would have saved their lives".

That's what I'm talking about. Do you believe your bull enough to demonstrate this with your boat? If not - then it's just bull...as you say.

(As for the outrunning part of the equation - I'm saying my plastic Hunter will outrun your boat. You won't be able to hit it because you can't catch it.)


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Brent.. You have your tiny utilitarian niche, and good on you.. But denigrating this heartbreakingly pretty design does you no credit whatsoever. I seriously doubt there's going to be anything 'dainty' about this boat when it's done.. And equally sure there won't be anything 'coarse' about it either.

But Smacks right.. In the end we can only laugh..
Yes , how totally silly to suggest that an open backed dodger is not more comfortable that a totally enclosed, heated wheelhouse, with an inside steering position and a comfortable steering seat facing forward. Everyone knows that sitting outside, exposed to all kinds of weather is far more comfortable, than sailing from inside a heated insulated wheelhouse? How silly and laughable for me to suggest otherwise!
When I am sitting inside my wheelhouse on a snowy day with the stove blasting out the heat , and see a Perry design going by , with the entire crew in an open cockpit , dressed like Eskimos, and freezing their asses off any way , who is being silly and laughable?
If you are the ones in the open cockpit , go ahead and laugh. I will be laughing just as hard at you, probably harder, in my T shirt , as comfortable as any sailor can get.
Oops forgot. We are not supposed to post any useful suggestions, or information here. Only discussions on wine ( and display the mental consequences of indulging in it to excess) and post pictures of pretentious 'Style over substance" for purposes of self embellishment, and justification for exorbitant design fees, and other needless expenses , which sucker many cruisers into such debt, that they can rarely leave the dock anyway.

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Just don't look if it bothers you Brent. I bet it bothers you a lot. HTFU.
By the way we changed the toe rail over the transom yesterday. We made it solid as you can see in the pic in the previous post. I didn't like the look of the elevated rail. I'm a nit picker when it comes to my work.
No bow roller of any kind on this one. How dense is that? How big an anchor do you plan to use? How do you plan tom get it aboard, without dinging the fancy, pretentious stuff?

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