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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

The client wants an anchoring system like the one he has now. It works well for him.
The retracting sprit is still up in the air. I want it and I want it offset as is shown here. I seem to be losing this battle though. We will just have to wait and see how that one shakes out.

Paulom could you please post a good pic or two of a "fold in" system. I'll run it by the client. I'm not sure he has ever seen one.


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We are going to 3D print it and cast it from the 3D part. That's new and exciting for me.
I had a conversation about your fittings at work with an NC programmer. In our business, we wouldn't cast that, we'd CNC machine it...

But the idea of 3D printing it and using it as a mold is quite interesting.. Changes radically the cost trade we were considering for Mill vs. Cast discussion..

Be real curious how that all works out.

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If you machined it it might get really heavy. I'd like to try to reduce the weight of it if I can.

I'm as curious as you.

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

My eldest is a steroliographer or however you spell it - means 3d printer on steroids for all I understand it.
I bet he'd have a blast working that up.

Maybe I can get him to do me so $2 dollar blocks up.

I just need to find the magical 3/8 bolts that Brent uses, I can't find any with a tensile strength he says a common one found in a junk yard will have.

Smacky, how, if he ever delivers that block, do you propose to test it?
I had a thought you could use a fish scale to measure the pounds and have one of your sons pull on it until it falls apart. That should do it.

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I think he is confused with Professor Schaffhausen from the movie DIRTY ROTTEN SCOUNDRELS, one of my favs.
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I, myself, personally intend to continue being outspoken and opinionated, intolerant of all fanatics, fools and ignoramuses, deeply suspicious of all those who have "found the answer" and on my bad days, downright rude.
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I am lucky to live in the PNW where we are surrounded by beautiful purpose designed work boats.
I also grew up in the PNW… my dad is a marine biologist and I grew up outfitting and working on types of PNW fisheries research vessels. I'd say the older ones (like my dads 1930s cedar salmon trawler) are pretty, but the newer ones are mostly pure function.

Munsons are the epitome of a modern functional and well built PNW workboat, but they're ugly as sin:


There's nothing wrong with Brent's boats- they look and act the part for which they're designed: frugal high latitude self sufficient cruising. If I were doing that, they're exactly the boat I'd want.

If you honestly think Brent's boats don't suit the needs of his customer base, or that he's just a con artist you're way out of touch. I've read many of his customers blogs and they do some incredible adventures and the boats function flawlessly. You guys are all just jerking each other around because you don't get along at a personal level, but the attacks on each others designs make you all look unreasonable.
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I find that 40-8 rather handsome. It appears to be very well built. Pity to see it on the rocks.

Brent and I inhabit two very different worlds. I think that is fine and I'm glad he has his niche. But his constant attacks on the intelligence of my clients and on anything that doesn't fit his own vision is very silly. We all have our own way of doing things and I like the diversity.
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Would a steel boat be good for a beginner??


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Woild a steel boat be good for a beginner??
I don't think so. For learning you would want a light boat.

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Woild a steel boat be good for a beginner??
Probably not, but it depends on how good a sailor you want to become, and there is no one right answer on that. I am not saying that you cannot develop rudimentary skills on a steel boat or eventually learn to sail reasonably well on a steel boat. But if you are trying to learn to sail skillfully and quickly, the best platform to learn on, if you are agile, is a small, centerboard dinghy. The feedback loop is short and you quickly learn boat handling and sail trim skills. Then you can graduate to a more complex boat to develop a broader range fo skillsets.

If you are not all that agile, then the best platform is a responsive, used, production 23-26 foot, fin keel, spade rudder sloop. Again the feedback loop is small so you quickly learn what works and what doesn't, and the boat is cheap to buy so you won't lose much if anything once you out grow it.

In the mean time, try to sail on as many boats as you can so that you will learn for yourself what kind of boat will appeal to you for the long run.

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