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Okay, after a very long absence, ( I think I had withdrawals and everything LOL) I got a chance to get on here and check in you guys...

Beautiful boats from Bob, good comments from many others, pointed sarcasm and some great wise cracks from Smackers, and of course BS from BS...

I have been out in the wild world of work trying to stack up a little cash to be able to meet my own goals on purchasing a nice boat, and I have done fairly well, so hopefully sometime next year. The K43 Kettenburg I want is still available, and I think it will still be by the time I get all my money together and can take a few months off to get her and move her up further into the PNW to ado a little more work on her.

I was actually up in Astoria, Oregon the other day and man, I really miss the ocean. It was cool, and rainy, and just awesome. Unfortunately I was incredibly ill and I just could not go out and do anything, seems the flu or possibly a mild ( if that was mild I would hate to have seen harsh) case of food poisoning. I wanted to go do some stuff but all I could do was get a room at the hotel and hibernate in between trips to the head.

You guys have fun, and enjoy your discussions, I am up in New Jersey today and hopefully on the way back to Texas tonight, so I won't have time to do much here either. It is too bad that my work is a lot like work, not like Bob's work which is a lot like a love affair...

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I've heard some have greatly improved those Kettenburgs by pulling the keel hung rudder off and replacing it with a separate rudder much further aft, hung on a skeg. I did that on my first boat and the improvement was huge. The hull was still unbalanced , but at least I could control her her downwind.

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I think many boats have an 'awkward' angle of view.. ie some aspect that looks off, an angle or a line that doesn't please the eye, but move up/down/over a few feet and it's gone. (with our boat it's from dead astern)

The ability to render in 3D before the finalized build plans must make it possible to recognize and perhaps address such an issue before its too late.
Looking at a boat with as sheer form the stern quarter makes the sheer look shortened and ugly sometimes.

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Looking at a boat with as sheer form the stern quarter makes the sheer look shortened and ugly sometimes.
Yes.. Another example of this was the "salmon snout" bows we saw on the last AC monos from certain angles...
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Casio - I was actually an early supporter of Brent's...here and elsewhere. My increasingly biting posts were in direct response to his increasingly insulting posts - toward me and others - as well as the blatant inaccuracies in those posts. It always starts somewhere, dude.

I've never been one to just be diplomatic while some dude goes off the rails. Brent goes off the rails...very aggressively.

I have made no inaccuracies in my posts, only ideas which contradict your cast in stone ideas ,which no amount of logic can dislodge. I doubt you ever supported the logic I gave, "throw money at a ship swindlers"being the one approach you support

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

I just marked out the plates for another 36, for a young couple who are as keen as anyone can get ,to get started . After owning several boats they concluded that the only way to get what they want is to build their own, from scratch.By the time that boat is together, there will be three more people who can build my designs,
So turning people down wont mean refusing their right to own a good steel boat.
More play time for me.

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"Looking at a boat with as sheer form the stern quarter makes the sheer look shortened and ugly sometimes. "

Really? Well I guess you would be very familiar with that problem.

I work those problems out beforehand with some good drawings and for the last few years 3D modelling work as a double check. I don't have to guess.

Not an ugly line or "surprise" in sight.


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